07-02-2011, 12:00 AM
Hi Watergaze,
From the thread Exegesis; Watergaze said,
Interesting, again. I know the story of Babel, it is one of the most famous ones, so even I know it. Wasn't it presented as a bad thing in the Bible though? People building the tower to get to god, but the tower was blown down and they stopped understanding each other. With the interpretation put on it that it was a sort of punishment and preventing them to cooperate in such a way in the future.
The way you present it here it is truly organic with a state of consciousness and as such could be seen as a valid and good step on the stairway leading upwards where one wishes to climb. Then the element of punishment is off, but how about the striking down of the tower? how does that fit in? Is it like a sudden change in the perception of the person?
The first few chapters of Genesis have to do with creation and "involution." How we got here on this plane and got so dense in the process. I believe the way out is symbolised by the geneology of Jesus as written in the book of Matthew. The spiritual experiences and awarenesses given to the Patriarchs (the Family tree of Jesus) are "markers" along the path of awakening to the mind of Christ which we are promised as believers. This is the "Evolution" of us returning to where we belong.
Matthew 1
Mt 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Mt 1:2
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
Mt 1:3
And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
Mt 1:6
And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
Mt 1:11
And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
Mt 1:12
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
Mt 1:17
So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
I did not show the whole geneology but the important "markers" of it having to do with this discussion. Abraham, David, The captivity in Babylon and Christ.
Three segments of Fourteen Generations separating these important place in consciousness. Or Awarenesses. Realizations, I guess you could call them.
Abraham= Belief in the unseen
David= The understanding that God does not hold our sin against us. In a word, the awareness of Grace.
Captivity in Babylon= Confusion.
Christ= the Pinacle of awareness. "I and the Father are one."
If I overlap three trees so that the Yesod, (Foundation) of one tree sits on the Daath (experiential knowledge and gateway to another order of being) of the next tree we get three 14's. The reason I layed it out this way, in a ladder of sorts, is that when we have a spiritual experience (Daath) it becomes the foundation (Yesod) of further growth. In other words we grow by past experiences and can then recognize the pattern when moving to a new experience.
We came down the tree the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We died to the spirit world.
We go up the tree, the tree of life by having the awarenesses/awakenings that are symbolized by these specific "markers."
Abraham, David, Babylon and Christ, the goal.
It is interesting that the first path Kether added to the 13th path from Kether down to Tiphareth add up to 14 three times making up the 42 generations pointed out in the verses above. This is the Middle Pillar, also called the path of Grace. David is that awareness of Grace, meaning God does not hold our sin against us and is the Giver of life and all that we have.
This awareness frees us to return.
You may also notice that the letter Samech in the Hebrew letter chart above in the ancient Hebrew form shows this middle pillar with three cross paths.
This letter is assigned to the middle pillar path 25 (from Tipareth to Yesod).
My point is that at some point in our return we see the coming together of language that was confused at the Tower of Babel. We also see the confusion there because we begin to see where we have "missed it." Others do not see this and we cannot communicate with them what we have found. No matter how hard we try.
The Tower of Babel was on the way down. The confusion of speech.
Pentecost is on the way home. The understanding of unknown tongues.
From the captivity in Babylon to Christ we are learning the language of God. The language that Jesus knew.
It comes in the form of stones speaking, animals speaking and teaching and letters which are also numbers and pictographs.
God speaks to us all of the time but we have to learn to hear Him as Jesus did.
It takes faith in the unseen, (Abraham) and belief that He has our best interests at heart even though we don't always do the right things. (David)
Job 12:7
But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Job 12:8
Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Job 12:9
Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
It is when we begin to learn this language that we begin to see the confusion we have been living in. We also begin to see the confusion that others are living in.
This is not judging or condemning because we also were caught up in the same confusion and still are to the degree that we have still much to learn.
But we begin to see the captivity of Babylon from the outside instead of from the inside.
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
From the thread Exegesis; Watergaze said,
Interesting, again. I know the story of Babel, it is one of the most famous ones, so even I know it. Wasn't it presented as a bad thing in the Bible though? People building the tower to get to god, but the tower was blown down and they stopped understanding each other. With the interpretation put on it that it was a sort of punishment and preventing them to cooperate in such a way in the future.
The way you present it here it is truly organic with a state of consciousness and as such could be seen as a valid and good step on the stairway leading upwards where one wishes to climb. Then the element of punishment is off, but how about the striking down of the tower? how does that fit in? Is it like a sudden change in the perception of the person?
The first few chapters of Genesis have to do with creation and "involution." How we got here on this plane and got so dense in the process. I believe the way out is symbolised by the geneology of Jesus as written in the book of Matthew. The spiritual experiences and awarenesses given to the Patriarchs (the Family tree of Jesus) are "markers" along the path of awakening to the mind of Christ which we are promised as believers. This is the "Evolution" of us returning to where we belong.
Matthew 1
Mt 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Mt 1:2
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
Mt 1:3
And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
Mt 1:6
And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
Mt 1:11
And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
Mt 1:12
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
Mt 1:17
So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
I did not show the whole geneology but the important "markers" of it having to do with this discussion. Abraham, David, The captivity in Babylon and Christ.
Three segments of Fourteen Generations separating these important place in consciousness. Or Awarenesses. Realizations, I guess you could call them.
Abraham= Belief in the unseen
David= The understanding that God does not hold our sin against us. In a word, the awareness of Grace.
Captivity in Babylon= Confusion.
Christ= the Pinacle of awareness. "I and the Father are one."
If I overlap three trees so that the Yesod, (Foundation) of one tree sits on the Daath (experiential knowledge and gateway to another order of being) of the next tree we get three 14's. The reason I layed it out this way, in a ladder of sorts, is that when we have a spiritual experience (Daath) it becomes the foundation (Yesod) of further growth. In other words we grow by past experiences and can then recognize the pattern when moving to a new experience.
We came down the tree the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We died to the spirit world.
We go up the tree, the tree of life by having the awarenesses/awakenings that are symbolized by these specific "markers."
Abraham, David, Babylon and Christ, the goal.
It is interesting that the first path Kether added to the 13th path from Kether down to Tiphareth add up to 14 three times making up the 42 generations pointed out in the verses above. This is the Middle Pillar, also called the path of Grace. David is that awareness of Grace, meaning God does not hold our sin against us and is the Giver of life and all that we have.
This awareness frees us to return.
You may also notice that the letter Samech in the Hebrew letter chart above in the ancient Hebrew form shows this middle pillar with three cross paths.
This letter is assigned to the middle pillar path 25 (from Tipareth to Yesod).
My point is that at some point in our return we see the coming together of language that was confused at the Tower of Babel. We also see the confusion there because we begin to see where we have "missed it." Others do not see this and we cannot communicate with them what we have found. No matter how hard we try.
The Tower of Babel was on the way down. The confusion of speech.
Pentecost is on the way home. The understanding of unknown tongues.
From the captivity in Babylon to Christ we are learning the language of God. The language that Jesus knew.
It comes in the form of stones speaking, animals speaking and teaching and letters which are also numbers and pictographs.
God speaks to us all of the time but we have to learn to hear Him as Jesus did.
It takes faith in the unseen, (Abraham) and belief that He has our best interests at heart even though we don't always do the right things. (David)
Job 12:7
But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
Job 12:8
Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
Job 12:9
Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
It is when we begin to learn this language that we begin to see the confusion we have been living in. We also begin to see the confusion that others are living in.
This is not judging or condemning because we also were caught up in the same confusion and still are to the degree that we have still much to learn.
But we begin to see the captivity of Babylon from the outside instead of from the inside.
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.