07-02-2011, 12:00 AM
Hello Bob, nice to read you here
I have read yesterday a tiny bit into some of the things you mentioned, into some of the 'bubles' and understood a tiny bit about the two pillars that are on the sides.. I will look at it a little bit more yet. It helps me understand what you are saying a little bit better. I do think I can get the general current though and that is most important.. . I am going for a vacation almost tomorrow, so till I come back I will not be posting (nor can I really take time to ponder on what you just wrote, although I did catch some interesting things there), but I have something to tell you, that is why I am writing in the first place .
This night I had a dream where I saw how ideas are/get connected to other ideas. I saw how words are born. I barely remembered this, I forgot the details. But they were in the air and I was watching them. They were changing and creating. But to me it came first from the idea level. In this sense one could say it was a deduction. I first saw the bigger and then I realized the smaller. So the opposite of your letters that started making words.
Of course when I read your account of the dream you had I understood why it is hard to read in lucid dreaming . Basically all lucid dreamers experience this, but do not realize what it means.. In my dream I did not specifically see each letter as you did in yours, but I saw they are the entities that create the words and the words then strings of words (ideas I called them, even if it might not be precise, that is how i called it in my dream) and those then other/different strings of words.
I have looked at the 'bubbles' and saw the tree with the other letters/signs. And then you also posted here the letters and explanations. I was looking at how it changed: ancient to modern, basically went through the whole chart what caught my eye. I guess I somehow connected to your experience. I remember the moment when I understood what it is that I am seeing. That it is living ideas, and then I saw living words.. and I saw the parts of words but guess my attention/or recall did not last that long for me to focus on a specific letter. I just saw them as single units that move around, they were kind of wiggling even while being part of a word and some left of to a different word etc, so they move around to create the words (and thus ideas)
. I understood the ideas and those ideas that were gotten from those ideas. But I do not remember them.
I was something similar before, but not in such a big scope. It was 2 words also floating but I know this time it was in white air (that would go with the 'written in white light floating in the air' you mention maybe). These two words got split and formed another word. The letters were not moving each by it self, but the words were made of smaller words/units and those separated and made another word .
If I think about it more I can also say it was as if I was observing myself from the outside in the beginning. I was standing and above me in the air were these ideas. Maybe they were my ideas or maybe I was just observing them, do not know. But from one string another string was remade. And I was seeing this. Later I guess I was myself and watching the words make other words etc.
This made me remember another thing. Someone told me once that she can see things written above people's heads.. guess that could be this taken a bit further .
Well, coming to the topic of this thread. Do you think old letters have more magic in them? They do look more magical to me at least, because they look so mysterious and remind me of runes, that are magical symbols/letters). But actually I get a magical living feeling even from our Roman alphabet letters now that I think back to my other dreams. I did not really see the letters this night so I do not know if they were these letters that you posted, but surely you telling your experience and me seeing these letters helped me have this dream tonight. The two words that I saw make a different word were from the Roman alphabet.
I am pasting here your experience (so that it is together and one does not have to go looking into other parts of the site):
Bob May in 'Exegesis' thread wrote:You have it right there in that you said everyone understood what the Apostles said in their own tongue. That was the miracle. If you go to Pentacostal churches they make a show of speaking in other tongues. But the real miracle was one of an opening of awareness. The understanding of other tongues.
I had an experience once in which I woke up dreaming. The dream kept going even though I was awake and walking around. I was in such an alternate and alien state of mind that it is difficult to describe. But what happened was that there were letters written in white light floating in the air above me. They were of a different language and I would guess they were ancient Hebrew. But here is the weird part. The letters were alive and conscious. They were living beings.
They arranged themselves into verses from the bible and I instantly understood them with a clarity that I had never before or since known. They were verses that I had known previously but had never understood. All I could think was, "Why hadn't I understood this before? It is plain as day and it says exactly what it means.
As soon as It would dawn on me the letters would laugh at me and rearrange themselves again. I would then forget the previous verse and be overwhelmed by the realisation of the next verse. Then it would happen again. This went on over and over again for about 10 to 20 minutes. I had sat on the floor with my back against the wall, completely stunned and staring at the laughing dancing letters.
When it was over, I could not retain any of the specific verses. Just the sense of Clarity that had come.
I do not speak any language but English. I know a few words in Hebrew and the letters. That is all.
But coming to what you write in the beginning of this quote your seeing of the letters obviously connects to the understanding of tongues, because they were old letters forming old words. I do not think that was my case . My experience made me see in reality the magic of language. Something I knew but did not see before, so did not really know at such a deep level.
So you put emphasis not on speaking but on understanding of other tongues.. I am not sure how to understand this shift at the moment. Because I read on the net that during Pentecost some fire flames (or something like that) descended on the apostles and they started speaking and the others around them understood each in their own tongue what they were saying. So the apostles had the gift of speaking and the others understood. One could then say that the others had the gift of understanding I guess. But nothing descended on them .
From what you say it would seem the apostles had the gift to understand.. how can one person understand so much that he can talk and everyone understands it in a different language.. hm... I have to expand my reality a bit. I would not say it is not possible, what do I know. If one can look differently to different people, have slightly different clothes on for each one, then why not say something else to each of them.. the double could do this, it could be done in dreaming and we all know dreaming is real.. It can be done..
Coming back to what I call 'the language of the soul' I think that is spoken and understood by people who can feel and let themselves feel it. No intellectual ideas can be transmitted like this, well maybe they can but I do not know how to do it (speak or understand them). Maybe a really powerful/wise person could do this..
I have read yesterday a tiny bit into some of the things you mentioned, into some of the 'bubles' and understood a tiny bit about the two pillars that are on the sides.. I will look at it a little bit more yet. It helps me understand what you are saying a little bit better. I do think I can get the general current though and that is most important.. . I am going for a vacation almost tomorrow, so till I come back I will not be posting (nor can I really take time to ponder on what you just wrote, although I did catch some interesting things there), but I have something to tell you, that is why I am writing in the first place .
This night I had a dream where I saw how ideas are/get connected to other ideas. I saw how words are born. I barely remembered this, I forgot the details. But they were in the air and I was watching them. They were changing and creating. But to me it came first from the idea level. In this sense one could say it was a deduction. I first saw the bigger and then I realized the smaller. So the opposite of your letters that started making words.
Of course when I read your account of the dream you had I understood why it is hard to read in lucid dreaming . Basically all lucid dreamers experience this, but do not realize what it means.. In my dream I did not specifically see each letter as you did in yours, but I saw they are the entities that create the words and the words then strings of words (ideas I called them, even if it might not be precise, that is how i called it in my dream) and those then other/different strings of words.
I have looked at the 'bubbles' and saw the tree with the other letters/signs. And then you also posted here the letters and explanations. I was looking at how it changed: ancient to modern, basically went through the whole chart what caught my eye. I guess I somehow connected to your experience. I remember the moment when I understood what it is that I am seeing. That it is living ideas, and then I saw living words.. and I saw the parts of words but guess my attention/or recall did not last that long for me to focus on a specific letter. I just saw them as single units that move around, they were kind of wiggling even while being part of a word and some left of to a different word etc, so they move around to create the words (and thus ideas)
. I understood the ideas and those ideas that were gotten from those ideas. But I do not remember them.I was something similar before, but not in such a big scope. It was 2 words also floating but I know this time it was in white air (that would go with the 'written in white light floating in the air' you mention maybe). These two words got split and formed another word. The letters were not moving each by it self, but the words were made of smaller words/units and those separated and made another word .
If I think about it more I can also say it was as if I was observing myself from the outside in the beginning. I was standing and above me in the air were these ideas. Maybe they were my ideas or maybe I was just observing them, do not know. But from one string another string was remade. And I was seeing this. Later I guess I was myself and watching the words make other words etc.
This made me remember another thing. Someone told me once that she can see things written above people's heads.. guess that could be this taken a bit further .
Well, coming to the topic of this thread. Do you think old letters have more magic in them? They do look more magical to me at least, because they look so mysterious and remind me of runes, that are magical symbols/letters). But actually I get a magical living feeling even from our Roman alphabet letters now that I think back to my other dreams. I did not really see the letters this night so I do not know if they were these letters that you posted, but surely you telling your experience and me seeing these letters helped me have this dream tonight. The two words that I saw make a different word were from the Roman alphabet.
I am pasting here your experience (so that it is together and one does not have to go looking into other parts of the site):
Bob May in 'Exegesis' thread wrote:You have it right there in that you said everyone understood what the Apostles said in their own tongue. That was the miracle. If you go to Pentacostal churches they make a show of speaking in other tongues. But the real miracle was one of an opening of awareness. The understanding of other tongues.
I had an experience once in which I woke up dreaming. The dream kept going even though I was awake and walking around. I was in such an alternate and alien state of mind that it is difficult to describe. But what happened was that there were letters written in white light floating in the air above me. They were of a different language and I would guess they were ancient Hebrew. But here is the weird part. The letters were alive and conscious. They were living beings.
They arranged themselves into verses from the bible and I instantly understood them with a clarity that I had never before or since known. They were verses that I had known previously but had never understood. All I could think was, "Why hadn't I understood this before? It is plain as day and it says exactly what it means.
As soon as It would dawn on me the letters would laugh at me and rearrange themselves again. I would then forget the previous verse and be overwhelmed by the realisation of the next verse. Then it would happen again. This went on over and over again for about 10 to 20 minutes. I had sat on the floor with my back against the wall, completely stunned and staring at the laughing dancing letters.
When it was over, I could not retain any of the specific verses. Just the sense of Clarity that had come.
I do not speak any language but English. I know a few words in Hebrew and the letters. That is all.
But coming to what you write in the beginning of this quote your seeing of the letters obviously connects to the understanding of tongues, because they were old letters forming old words. I do not think that was my case . My experience made me see in reality the magic of language. Something I knew but did not see before, so did not really know at such a deep level.
So you put emphasis not on speaking but on understanding of other tongues.. I am not sure how to understand this shift at the moment. Because I read on the net that during Pentecost some fire flames (or something like that) descended on the apostles and they started speaking and the others around them understood each in their own tongue what they were saying. So the apostles had the gift of speaking and the others understood. One could then say that the others had the gift of understanding I guess. But nothing descended on them .
From what you say it would seem the apostles had the gift to understand.. how can one person understand so much that he can talk and everyone understands it in a different language.. hm... I have to expand my reality a bit. I would not say it is not possible, what do I know. If one can look differently to different people, have slightly different clothes on for each one, then why not say something else to each of them.. the double could do this, it could be done in dreaming and we all know dreaming is real.. It can be done..
Coming back to what I call 'the language of the soul' I think that is spoken and understood by people who can feel and let themselves feel it. No intellectual ideas can be transmitted like this, well maybe they can but I do not know how to do it (speak or understand them). Maybe a really powerful/wise person could do this..