07-03-2011, 12:00 AM
watergaze wrote:
But coming to what you write in the beginning of this quote your seeing of the letters obviously connects to the understanding of tongues, because they were old letters forming old words. I do not think that was my case . My experience made me see in reality the magic of language. Something I knew but did not see before, so did not really know at such a deep level.
"In the beginning the word was with God and the word was God."
Heb 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Old and new has no meaning when dealing with eternal things. If everything was crewated by the Word, then letters, language, sound symbolism, letters and allegory all have some magical or mystical power to them. They are symbols for the Real. Just as we, when we speak or write or draw are using symbols to communicate ideas (the reality we are trying to convey) so, God does the same in communicating His Reality to us. Letters are the pieces of the words and some languages, such as Hebrew stack up smaller groups of letters to make larger words etc. The letters are the building blocks but those letters each have their own individual meanings also.
Those meanings are what I call Principles. Basic building blocks. For us, the basic building blocks of language. For God the basic building blocks of everything that exists.
So you put emphasis not on speaking but on understanding of other tongues.. I am not sure how to understand this shift at the moment. Because I read on the net that during Pentecost some fire flames (or something like that) descended on the apostles and they started speaking and the others around them understood each in their own tongue what they were saying. So the apostles had the gift of speaking and the others understood. One could then say that the others had the gift of understanding I guess. But nothing descended on them .
Ac 2:16
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Ac 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Ac 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Some scoffed, yes, but that does not mean that something did not happen. Something became available at that moment to all flesh that was not available before this happened. It is still available and some still scoff.
From what you say it would seem the apostles had the gift to understand.. how can one person understand so much that he can talk and everyone understands it in a different language.. hm... I have to expand my reality a bit. I would not say it is not possible, what do I know. If one can look differently to different people, have slightly different clothes on for each one, then why not say something else to each of them.. the double could do this, it could be done in dreaming and we all know dreaming is real.. It can be done..
There were 120 believers there. Not just the Apostles. There were 17 languages that were listed as being understood while only one was being spoken. Others came from all around and Peter stood up and confronted those that were scoffing and told them that it was the fullfilment of and Old Testament prophecy spoken by Joel.
Coming back to what I call 'the language of the soul' I think that is spoken and understood by people who can feel and let themselves feel it. No intellectual ideas can be transmitted like this, well maybe they can but I do not know how to do it (speak or understand them). Maybe a really powerful/wise person could do this..Intellectually speaking it is impossible. That is why people scoff. They have nothing to compare it to. It should not be able to happen but it does.
That is how Spiritual things happen. They are beyond our ordinary frame of reference. The correct attitude, I believe, is just to accept these things and not scoff. One day we may understand them.
But coming to what you write in the beginning of this quote your seeing of the letters obviously connects to the understanding of tongues, because they were old letters forming old words. I do not think that was my case . My experience made me see in reality the magic of language. Something I knew but did not see before, so did not really know at such a deep level.
"In the beginning the word was with God and the word was God."
Heb 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Old and new has no meaning when dealing with eternal things. If everything was crewated by the Word, then letters, language, sound symbolism, letters and allegory all have some magical or mystical power to them. They are symbols for the Real. Just as we, when we speak or write or draw are using symbols to communicate ideas (the reality we are trying to convey) so, God does the same in communicating His Reality to us. Letters are the pieces of the words and some languages, such as Hebrew stack up smaller groups of letters to make larger words etc. The letters are the building blocks but those letters each have their own individual meanings also.
Those meanings are what I call Principles. Basic building blocks. For us, the basic building blocks of language. For God the basic building blocks of everything that exists.
So you put emphasis not on speaking but on understanding of other tongues.. I am not sure how to understand this shift at the moment. Because I read on the net that during Pentecost some fire flames (or something like that) descended on the apostles and they started speaking and the others around them understood each in their own tongue what they were saying. So the apostles had the gift of speaking and the others understood. One could then say that the others had the gift of understanding I guess. But nothing descended on them .
Ac 2:16
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Ac 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Ac 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Some scoffed, yes, but that does not mean that something did not happen. Something became available at that moment to all flesh that was not available before this happened. It is still available and some still scoff.
From what you say it would seem the apostles had the gift to understand.. how can one person understand so much that he can talk and everyone understands it in a different language.. hm... I have to expand my reality a bit. I would not say it is not possible, what do I know. If one can look differently to different people, have slightly different clothes on for each one, then why not say something else to each of them.. the double could do this, it could be done in dreaming and we all know dreaming is real.. It can be done..
There were 120 believers there. Not just the Apostles. There were 17 languages that were listed as being understood while only one was being spoken. Others came from all around and Peter stood up and confronted those that were scoffing and told them that it was the fullfilment of and Old Testament prophecy spoken by Joel.
Coming back to what I call 'the language of the soul' I think that is spoken and understood by people who can feel and let themselves feel it. No intellectual ideas can be transmitted like this, well maybe they can but I do not know how to do it (speak or understand them). Maybe a really powerful/wise person could do this..Intellectually speaking it is impossible. That is why people scoff. They have nothing to compare it to. It should not be able to happen but it does.
That is how Spiritual things happen. They are beyond our ordinary frame of reference. The correct attitude, I believe, is just to accept these things and not scoff. One day we may understand them.