08-21-2011, 12:00 AM
Bob i just asked my cat to tell me all the secrets of being a cat. She did answer, she mewed at me, but i didnt really understand what she said. Even if i had understood it would have been at a level outside words since frankly i dont speak 'cat'. I can guess what she meant just because i know her. But its a guess.
In my past however i did experience a dog 'speaking' to me. Even though they 'spoke' they did it without moving thier cute little mouth or making a sound. It was freaky. It was magical. It was certainly outside language. I got the transmission direct from mind to mind, but even calling this telepathy does not really capture what actually happened. Having experienced this for myself i can say that the word 'telepathy' is a very very poor attempt to describe what happened.
The difference between the two events outlined above is vast.
I can only guess what your biblical references are referring to. If the things you quote did in fact happen ie birds talking to me, earth teaching me, again i would have to put this down to something outside language. We might describe these mysterious events as 'seeing' or 'knowing' or 'talking', but thats just reducing the magical to the known so we can discusss it afterwards. When those sorts of things do happen they happen outside language. For me the bible talks in a range of styles. Sometimes metaphorically, sometimes literally. Jesus doing his miracles was literal. The quotes you supply above are metaphorical ways of describing something that is for humans a magical experience.
For me magic can be experienced, and even spoken about, but to say that words themselves are magical is to blend aspects of our total possibility into the same area. Doing that risks robbing us of the possibility of experiencing the transcendent on the other side of words.
Its curious because this brings up something that has been described as the 'voice of seeing'. This is an automatic explanation that occurs when we do pierce the boundary and experience the other side. Its an explanation that occurs inside the rational speaking parts of us even as we are experiencing stuff 'over the edge'. But even this happens on this side, the known side, the side that deals with language concepts ideas etc.
In my past however i did experience a dog 'speaking' to me. Even though they 'spoke' they did it without moving thier cute little mouth or making a sound. It was freaky. It was magical. It was certainly outside language. I got the transmission direct from mind to mind, but even calling this telepathy does not really capture what actually happened. Having experienced this for myself i can say that the word 'telepathy' is a very very poor attempt to describe what happened.
The difference between the two events outlined above is vast.
I can only guess what your biblical references are referring to. If the things you quote did in fact happen ie birds talking to me, earth teaching me, again i would have to put this down to something outside language. We might describe these mysterious events as 'seeing' or 'knowing' or 'talking', but thats just reducing the magical to the known so we can discusss it afterwards. When those sorts of things do happen they happen outside language. For me the bible talks in a range of styles. Sometimes metaphorically, sometimes literally. Jesus doing his miracles was literal. The quotes you supply above are metaphorical ways of describing something that is for humans a magical experience.
For me magic can be experienced, and even spoken about, but to say that words themselves are magical is to blend aspects of our total possibility into the same area. Doing that risks robbing us of the possibility of experiencing the transcendent on the other side of words.
Its curious because this brings up something that has been described as the 'voice of seeing'. This is an automatic explanation that occurs when we do pierce the boundary and experience the other side. Its an explanation that occurs inside the rational speaking parts of us even as we are experiencing stuff 'over the edge'. But even this happens on this side, the known side, the side that deals with language concepts ideas etc.