06-05-2011, 12:00 AM
Nu Lang wrote:The main point I was saying is if one does think power spots are useful, then they should seek them out, which really means to fine tune ones senses to be that of a sorcerer rather then common man. Just want to add here, to be most precise, that I did not go looking for power spots near my house, I just went to explore and it drew me to itself. I just went through the forest (not through paths but really inside it because that is how I felt it) and "stumbled upon" it. This is usually how I find them. I just go and I arrive . I am walking with a searching intent, but not of power spots but for knowledge / experience / learning, connecting with the Spirit and my other self and my self, cannot really say exactly in words, it is a feeling / intent that I have and which helps me to witness lessons and things. I do not think I ever went somewhere with the rational though "now let me go find me a power spot" . though I do go tuned to feeling places and then I can find them. In general, it is all encompassed in my overall intent. I try to be open to whatever the Spirit gives me. Sometimes I do not even need to go far and I learn valuable things. The unknown is just behind the doorstep.
Really love Biblo's quote of being careful about leaving the house. And he was not even aware that one does not even have to do that .
Bilbo wrote:"It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.”
I think this is how it just is, one feels and goes without knowing where, but knows it is the right direction. So one feels the going to get there, not the destination (but one might know there is one). This is an allegory to how we walk in our broader life as well. I am not saying we do not have specific goals, but we have to feel the going.
Nu Lang wrote:But its a shame when people acquainted and initiated in sorcery do this. I understand common man, but a magical being denying his/her own magical nature due to inadequacy...they hinder themselves and then seek to slow others down out of jealousy.If they are sorcerers then they naturally seek out places that they feel are in alignment with them or with the task they are performing at a certain moment (for example trying to see the luminosity of the world). They may not be aware of it that they are doing it, but it makes sense that they are. If their mind is fighting that notion, well bad for them that they do not see it clearly, but they cannot be sorcerers and not have a second sense for these things.
And if they just stay at home and do not venture anywhere, well then they are hikikimoris . One can have a personal spot of power at home, sure, but does not mean one can just forgo the rest of the world .
Nu Lang wrote:I've seen this happen. The skepticism of regular man enters in to a sorcerers view and contaminates it and makes them neither compatible in the sorcerer world nor fitting in with common man, more like no mans land. They use logic to speak sorcery principles...see that combination?...logic, the common mans fare, and sorcery principles. First of all sorcery is about doing first and foremost...getting results and the results verify the nature of reality, and that is that reality is fluid and can shift (ap) so there is no concrete reality as logic man thinks. Now thats an assertion to readers and its so easy to make and it so very easy to state a contrary opinion. So making assertions is easy. But verifying it (experience) is what makes all the difference and its the place where a person is transformed forever. Because no longer will they serve logical means of the ordered universe once they see that order can be rearranged and they can do it.It is natural to reevaluate things from our rational minds. We should make some kind of evaluations from time to time, to see how our life is changing and all that stuff. But well I guess this is what you do with the results you speak about .
Opinions are at fault here, not logic, opinions and preconceptions. If they think power spots are a domain of the old seers it is their opinion and their preconception. Power spots are here for us, even the non sorcerers make use of them without knowing. It is as natural as breathing.
Sometimes I have doubts about some things, like the inorganics (whether to actively seek them out in dreaming or not). Sorcerers would just do it you say, but I am also thinking about it, which makes me feel doubt. This does not help me much. And I see it. So here one suspends judgement and seeks experience. To make up my own mind once and for all. My dream self reacts naturally without thinking and does not engage them, or avoids them by running for example (but I do not feel fear while doing so). I have to now figure out where this doubt of my decision is coming from and I am inclined to think it is from understanding what DJ said. If my experience up to now was sufficient, or so I hope, I would have no doubts. This however is not that sure with me, because I am such a person that I examine my decisions. And I very well look at things through the eyes of others and if I am not very firm in my decisions they become more loosened as just happened to me with the inorganics. But what to do for me is not just a matter of logic. I decide based on other cues as well. However, I am aware sometimes that my thinking burdens me. I then try to silence myself. I also seek advise in the other realms, sometimes I seek advise in this realm, but I do not know why I generally do not have much luck on that front . I am just left to my own devices to figure out stuff on my own.
Nu Lang wrote:A common question in some sorcery circles seems to be... why do it...isn't there more important things to do that practice the old ways? I put inorganics on the side and did other stuff, which were crucial to do, yes, but then after some tying up is done one comes back to that what one left on the side.
Nu Lang wrote:Its amazing what we can do when we just believe we can do it. Being open to power. Being open means being empty of all the stuff common man carries around that would cloud everything and make the world appear as such and such and so and so. this truly is among the most amazing things . I would repeat my signature here, but it will repeat itself at the end of my post .
Nu Lang wrote:For sorcerers/seers, locating a power spot is a very practical act. Its not way out there new age mumbo jumbo, but if one thinks that way, so shall it be, and nothing you can tell them to change their mind. Unfortunately they become like common man, even if they consider themselves apart from the masses, they are taking on that mass skepticism that keeps man prisoner in this rational conventional trap that is non-magical in its approach and uses logical means to interpret the world and thus activation of thinking process rather than feeling/sensing. A sorcerer uses feeling/senses and extrasensory at that to locate things outside the norm such as power spots...thats only one aspect.Actually common man might be better to talk to, because he might have sound common sense and might be that he was really just ignorant and once we talk to that common sense it will all be good. In contrast to partially “educated” people (for example sorcerers you talk about) who might not have such a clean slate and might have a lot more preconceptions. Shamanism /sorcery is very practical, so all it takes is a bit open mind and common sense..
So, if we talk to such a common man it mostly depends on what we say. Even the common man will agree that there are places where one feels better and where one feels worse. For example cities, sometimes we do not feel so well somewhere, most commonly we say we do not like it. People will agree on this. Well then we just shift this to a more broad / sorceric concept. We say that it is possible to be aware of this and distinguish which place is better for us and which is bad for us (without having to spend a lot of time there, or even go in). And of course who would want to stay in places that are bad for us when we can be in places that are good for us. Sometimes people get depressed just because of the place they live in. And in good places we can heal faster. People understand, those who have lived and experienced a bit, that sometimes they just feel good or bad somewhere for no good reason . And well we will say, this is what I am talking about, it is only that we were never taught to be aware of this. It is a very practical art. And they will have to agree XD, well but even if they do not, they will not disagree and that is crucial as well .
More things can be said on the subject, but we need to take care to serve them on the right platter. Some people would call it manipulation. I do not. I just call it talking to the person, translating stuff into a form that he/she understands. The person can still choose to forget about this piece of info.
Not scare common people with fancy sorceric terms for example is a start. Just make it all about life and being practical. If you start off with: “You know there are these places called power spots..” It gives quite a different feeling and setting for the conversation than if you start of with “I was at this park the other day and started feeling really sick to my stomach.” One has to choose words depending on whom we are talking to. But still have it be coming from us.
And sometimes we say something and it is as if we never said anything. That might be the flyer at work… I know for myself how it is when we are closed off. It happened to me already that I did not hear what somebody told me (but not because I was tired or something).
A person is talking and I am on board and then there is just this flash (but not visual) and I am finding myself already after something had been said. I literally do not have a memory of what the person just said. Generally people just don't notice it, I think I am already lucky to be aware of this happening. I think DJ said somewhere that is the foreign installation or flyer (not sure which). I am like wtf is this... I just blacked out… This means war! If a pacifist goes of to war then I am sure it is for a good reason.
Now that I think of it however, it might also happen when we switch attention. So in speech like this I cannot differentiate which is which. Or maybe these two are not that far from each other. Maybe it is the flyer that makes us forget things from the other attention.
So this is thinking at work, to know one cannot just think about it. But thinking gave me a start here, next come actions, looking at it from a different avenue than that of thinking. It is not always bad to think out loud, even if one is aware that the thoughts might not be correct. One just needs to be aware of what one is doing. Which stuff comes from where. And indicate it in speech.
Oh, and sometimes when one does this one realizes that something was said of the nature that Bob just put to the forefront of our attention. I love it when that happens, makes me feel happy . Makes something fall into place. Thinking can also be part of a creative process.
Really love Biblo's quote of being careful about leaving the house. And he was not even aware that one does not even have to do that .
Bilbo wrote:"It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.”
I think this is how it just is, one feels and goes without knowing where, but knows it is the right direction. So one feels the going to get there, not the destination (but one might know there is one). This is an allegory to how we walk in our broader life as well. I am not saying we do not have specific goals, but we have to feel the going.
Nu Lang wrote:But its a shame when people acquainted and initiated in sorcery do this. I understand common man, but a magical being denying his/her own magical nature due to inadequacy...they hinder themselves and then seek to slow others down out of jealousy.If they are sorcerers then they naturally seek out places that they feel are in alignment with them or with the task they are performing at a certain moment (for example trying to see the luminosity of the world). They may not be aware of it that they are doing it, but it makes sense that they are. If their mind is fighting that notion, well bad for them that they do not see it clearly, but they cannot be sorcerers and not have a second sense for these things.
And if they just stay at home and do not venture anywhere, well then they are hikikimoris . One can have a personal spot of power at home, sure, but does not mean one can just forgo the rest of the world .
Nu Lang wrote:I've seen this happen. The skepticism of regular man enters in to a sorcerers view and contaminates it and makes them neither compatible in the sorcerer world nor fitting in with common man, more like no mans land. They use logic to speak sorcery principles...see that combination?...logic, the common mans fare, and sorcery principles. First of all sorcery is about doing first and foremost...getting results and the results verify the nature of reality, and that is that reality is fluid and can shift (ap) so there is no concrete reality as logic man thinks. Now thats an assertion to readers and its so easy to make and it so very easy to state a contrary opinion. So making assertions is easy. But verifying it (experience) is what makes all the difference and its the place where a person is transformed forever. Because no longer will they serve logical means of the ordered universe once they see that order can be rearranged and they can do it.It is natural to reevaluate things from our rational minds. We should make some kind of evaluations from time to time, to see how our life is changing and all that stuff. But well I guess this is what you do with the results you speak about .
Opinions are at fault here, not logic, opinions and preconceptions. If they think power spots are a domain of the old seers it is their opinion and their preconception. Power spots are here for us, even the non sorcerers make use of them without knowing. It is as natural as breathing.
Sometimes I have doubts about some things, like the inorganics (whether to actively seek them out in dreaming or not). Sorcerers would just do it you say, but I am also thinking about it, which makes me feel doubt. This does not help me much. And I see it. So here one suspends judgement and seeks experience. To make up my own mind once and for all. My dream self reacts naturally without thinking and does not engage them, or avoids them by running for example (but I do not feel fear while doing so). I have to now figure out where this doubt of my decision is coming from and I am inclined to think it is from understanding what DJ said. If my experience up to now was sufficient, or so I hope, I would have no doubts. This however is not that sure with me, because I am such a person that I examine my decisions. And I very well look at things through the eyes of others and if I am not very firm in my decisions they become more loosened as just happened to me with the inorganics. But what to do for me is not just a matter of logic. I decide based on other cues as well. However, I am aware sometimes that my thinking burdens me. I then try to silence myself. I also seek advise in the other realms, sometimes I seek advise in this realm, but I do not know why I generally do not have much luck on that front . I am just left to my own devices to figure out stuff on my own.
Nu Lang wrote:A common question in some sorcery circles seems to be... why do it...isn't there more important things to do that practice the old ways? I put inorganics on the side and did other stuff, which were crucial to do, yes, but then after some tying up is done one comes back to that what one left on the side.
Nu Lang wrote:Its amazing what we can do when we just believe we can do it. Being open to power. Being open means being empty of all the stuff common man carries around that would cloud everything and make the world appear as such and such and so and so. this truly is among the most amazing things . I would repeat my signature here, but it will repeat itself at the end of my post .
Nu Lang wrote:For sorcerers/seers, locating a power spot is a very practical act. Its not way out there new age mumbo jumbo, but if one thinks that way, so shall it be, and nothing you can tell them to change their mind. Unfortunately they become like common man, even if they consider themselves apart from the masses, they are taking on that mass skepticism that keeps man prisoner in this rational conventional trap that is non-magical in its approach and uses logical means to interpret the world and thus activation of thinking process rather than feeling/sensing. A sorcerer uses feeling/senses and extrasensory at that to locate things outside the norm such as power spots...thats only one aspect.Actually common man might be better to talk to, because he might have sound common sense and might be that he was really just ignorant and once we talk to that common sense it will all be good. In contrast to partially “educated” people (for example sorcerers you talk about) who might not have such a clean slate and might have a lot more preconceptions. Shamanism /sorcery is very practical, so all it takes is a bit open mind and common sense..
So, if we talk to such a common man it mostly depends on what we say. Even the common man will agree that there are places where one feels better and where one feels worse. For example cities, sometimes we do not feel so well somewhere, most commonly we say we do not like it. People will agree on this. Well then we just shift this to a more broad / sorceric concept. We say that it is possible to be aware of this and distinguish which place is better for us and which is bad for us (without having to spend a lot of time there, or even go in). And of course who would want to stay in places that are bad for us when we can be in places that are good for us. Sometimes people get depressed just because of the place they live in. And in good places we can heal faster. People understand, those who have lived and experienced a bit, that sometimes they just feel good or bad somewhere for no good reason . And well we will say, this is what I am talking about, it is only that we were never taught to be aware of this. It is a very practical art. And they will have to agree XD, well but even if they do not, they will not disagree and that is crucial as well .
More things can be said on the subject, but we need to take care to serve them on the right platter. Some people would call it manipulation. I do not. I just call it talking to the person, translating stuff into a form that he/she understands. The person can still choose to forget about this piece of info.
Not scare common people with fancy sorceric terms for example is a start. Just make it all about life and being practical. If you start off with: “You know there are these places called power spots..” It gives quite a different feeling and setting for the conversation than if you start of with “I was at this park the other day and started feeling really sick to my stomach.” One has to choose words depending on whom we are talking to. But still have it be coming from us.
And sometimes we say something and it is as if we never said anything. That might be the flyer at work… I know for myself how it is when we are closed off. It happened to me already that I did not hear what somebody told me (but not because I was tired or something).
A person is talking and I am on board and then there is just this flash (but not visual) and I am finding myself already after something had been said. I literally do not have a memory of what the person just said. Generally people just don't notice it, I think I am already lucky to be aware of this happening. I think DJ said somewhere that is the foreign installation or flyer (not sure which). I am like wtf is this... I just blacked out… This means war! If a pacifist goes of to war then I am sure it is for a good reason.
Now that I think of it however, it might also happen when we switch attention. So in speech like this I cannot differentiate which is which. Or maybe these two are not that far from each other. Maybe it is the flyer that makes us forget things from the other attention.
So this is thinking at work, to know one cannot just think about it. But thinking gave me a start here, next come actions, looking at it from a different avenue than that of thinking. It is not always bad to think out loud, even if one is aware that the thoughts might not be correct. One just needs to be aware of what one is doing. Which stuff comes from where. And indicate it in speech.
Oh, and sometimes when one does this one realizes that something was said of the nature that Bob just put to the forefront of our attention. I love it when that happens, makes me feel happy . Makes something fall into place. Thinking can also be part of a creative process.