06-09-2011, 12:01 AM
“Bob May” wrote
on Juan covered this in the idea of a "tonal" and a "tonal of the times." The cultural and scientific and collective unconscious of the society we live in has a lot to do with our individual tonals. Some societies for instance believe in inorganic beings and spirit possessions and communicating with relatives who have died. Some do not. But all societies agree on the world of matter we are surrounded by. If we hit ourselves in the head with a stick or a hammer or a laptop computer it is still going to hurt.
It is only by dealing with our personal "tonal" will we we get to the point of being able to walk through walls or on water.
Both ideas are limitations or prisons of a sort but the collective is easier to get out of than the personal tonal.
I agree that mankind has something that we generally agree upon. Like a set of rules of the reality world. I do not know if what I am about to say is humbug, but I read from a woman visiting some monastery or something of that kind in Asia, do not know if Taoist or Buddhist, that she was passing by a classroom where they were teaching children and that some were actually not standing on the ground (levitating). Not sure how true this account is, but I am going to work with that a bit for discussions sake at least, because I could see something like that as being true. This would mean that we are able to learn in a different way. But it still must be hard to go against all the other people who believe gravity is solid, so to speak. Because so much energy goes into keeping gravity real. So, according to what you say that would be in the part of deleting our personal tonal. And once we delete the personal tonal then it will not be difficult.
Well, collective is easier to get out of, you say, but isn’t it the collective that is in the personal that we need to get rid of in order to walk on water? In this sense it is the collective that made the personal. So deleting the personal is actually deleting the collective, and remembering the purest form. Sorry to twist it like this, I kind of enjoy twisting ideas around to see what I get .
Let me lead my example of levitating somewhere else as well though. That maybe it is easier to get out of the clutches of the collective matrix in some secluded spots. In the mountains where the density of the population is scarce one can feel a sort of lightening of the hm wanted to say spirit, but not sure, maybe attention or better consciousness, maybe something else, but it is a shift one realizes if one stays there long enough. Maybe this is why it was a functional path to be a hermit and thus attain enlightenment. If one gets down from these places then one might feel the change when arriving at civilization .
But there is another thing involved. It is not as it might seem that it is easier to live up there (so to speak), actually it takes more discipline than living down here. Only consciousness that is at a certain level can survive there for long periods of time (this link to consciousness is not my own, but I agree with it). it is inhuman environment to a big extent, depends where exactly we are. but it is a kind of purity as well. Also, for sake of precision I will add that different places might have slight differences. And this might not only apply to mountains, but sadly there is not much left where the human has not spread where I am at and where it is allowed to live, or where I have visited .
Nu Lang wrote:Just a quick mention...that recently I was observing that something occurred in the 1960s that caused a shift, along the lines of what you say here. It was called flower power and other names...certainly a very tangible shift towards magical beingness. This is also the decade Carlos was apprentice to DJ...interesting... and disseminating the knowledge to public.
Makes sense . So it all started with flower power, how nice .
on Juan covered this in the idea of a "tonal" and a "tonal of the times." The cultural and scientific and collective unconscious of the society we live in has a lot to do with our individual tonals. Some societies for instance believe in inorganic beings and spirit possessions and communicating with relatives who have died. Some do not. But all societies agree on the world of matter we are surrounded by. If we hit ourselves in the head with a stick or a hammer or a laptop computer it is still going to hurt.It is only by dealing with our personal "tonal" will we we get to the point of being able to walk through walls or on water.
Both ideas are limitations or prisons of a sort but the collective is easier to get out of than the personal tonal.
I agree that mankind has something that we generally agree upon. Like a set of rules of the reality world. I do not know if what I am about to say is humbug, but I read from a woman visiting some monastery or something of that kind in Asia, do not know if Taoist or Buddhist, that she was passing by a classroom where they were teaching children and that some were actually not standing on the ground (levitating). Not sure how true this account is, but I am going to work with that a bit for discussions sake at least, because I could see something like that as being true. This would mean that we are able to learn in a different way. But it still must be hard to go against all the other people who believe gravity is solid, so to speak. Because so much energy goes into keeping gravity real. So, according to what you say that would be in the part of deleting our personal tonal. And once we delete the personal tonal then it will not be difficult.
Well, collective is easier to get out of, you say, but isn’t it the collective that is in the personal that we need to get rid of in order to walk on water? In this sense it is the collective that made the personal. So deleting the personal is actually deleting the collective, and remembering the purest form. Sorry to twist it like this, I kind of enjoy twisting ideas around to see what I get .
Let me lead my example of levitating somewhere else as well though. That maybe it is easier to get out of the clutches of the collective matrix in some secluded spots. In the mountains where the density of the population is scarce one can feel a sort of lightening of the hm wanted to say spirit, but not sure, maybe attention or better consciousness, maybe something else, but it is a shift one realizes if one stays there long enough. Maybe this is why it was a functional path to be a hermit and thus attain enlightenment. If one gets down from these places then one might feel the change when arriving at civilization .
But there is another thing involved. It is not as it might seem that it is easier to live up there (so to speak), actually it takes more discipline than living down here. Only consciousness that is at a certain level can survive there for long periods of time (this link to consciousness is not my own, but I agree with it). it is inhuman environment to a big extent, depends where exactly we are. but it is a kind of purity as well. Also, for sake of precision I will add that different places might have slight differences. And this might not only apply to mountains, but sadly there is not much left where the human has not spread where I am at and where it is allowed to live, or where I have visited .
Nu Lang wrote:Just a quick mention...that recently I was observing that something occurred in the 1960s that caused a shift, along the lines of what you say here. It was called flower power and other names...certainly a very tangible shift towards magical beingness. This is also the decade Carlos was apprentice to DJ...interesting... and disseminating the knowledge to public.
Makes sense . So it all started with flower power, how nice .