12-21-2017, 12:00 AM
Julio Juliopolis wrote:
True and false self works, because one is real and the other is not. When you're acting "phony" you're showing an expectation or some such thing, you're not acting from your real self. This is the case even if others are not around to witness it, or if you're acting from the false self in a different dream realm.
As to Moby Dick, the real meaning is even when you've got a whale of an appetite, sometimes it's best to just settle for a fillet-o-fish.
Jed on the other hand thinks it's some sort of metaphor for enlightenment, or "truth realization" as he likes to call it. That Ahab was trying to break through all illusion in the form of the white whale to get to truth and that he needed sacrifice everything to do so.
To be fair, Jed probably has spent more time considering this than I have. He explains it in "Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment" bit by bit over the majority of the book. Although I'm teasing it a bit, I would recommend that book pretty highly.
lol I can't believe you think it's as simple as "one is real, the other is not real". Real and fake is moralizing. People act "otherwise than their innermost selves" in the world for a lot of reasons. One of many reasons is because someone else is forcing you to.
Sometimes I'll be in a restaurant and I'll catch the waiters acting a little "too much like waiters", you know? They're faking it, for the tips, obviously? But they actually ARE waiters.
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Oh, the other day at this sandwich shop this college kid was like, GROVELING at me. He thought it was "good customer service" or something, I don't know, but it was driving me crazy. I used to love that place but I can't go back there if the sandwich guy insists on ACTING LIKE a sandwich guy like that.
True and false self works, because one is real and the other is not. When you're acting "phony" you're showing an expectation or some such thing, you're not acting from your real self. This is the case even if others are not around to witness it, or if you're acting from the false self in a different dream realm.
As to Moby Dick, the real meaning is even when you've got a whale of an appetite, sometimes it's best to just settle for a fillet-o-fish.
Jed on the other hand thinks it's some sort of metaphor for enlightenment, or "truth realization" as he likes to call it. That Ahab was trying to break through all illusion in the form of the white whale to get to truth and that he needed sacrifice everything to do so.
To be fair, Jed probably has spent more time considering this than I have. He explains it in "Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment" bit by bit over the majority of the book. Although I'm teasing it a bit, I would recommend that book pretty highly.
lol I can't believe you think it's as simple as "one is real, the other is not real". Real and fake is moralizing. People act "otherwise than their innermost selves" in the world for a lot of reasons. One of many reasons is because someone else is forcing you to.
Sometimes I'll be in a restaurant and I'll catch the waiters acting a little "too much like waiters", you know? They're faking it, for the tips, obviously? But they actually ARE waiters.
...
Oh, the other day at this sandwich shop this college kid was like, GROVELING at me. He thought it was "good customer service" or something, I don't know, but it was driving me crazy. I used to love that place but I can't go back there if the sandwich guy insists on ACTING LIKE a sandwich guy like that.