01-01-2013, 12:00 AM
Ravenmoon wrote:
Ravenmoon wrote:
What is the difference between sorcery and nagualism. Are there strong distinctions? If so what?
I want to revisit this question. I read in another forum in mainforum here, about CC, and discussion was about: sorcery is not concerned with morals, and lies are not seen as bad. Energy and impeccability are all that matters, not compassion which is self importance in disguise. I do not disagree with those points. I have seen how ugly limiting morality grips society, and things done in the name of compassion may not be that at all. However, this renewed discussion on sorcery being indifferent to all these "human" concerns, does bring back to forefront an asking - so what IS nagualism if its not sorcery or social human? If sorcery is just about aquiring energy and escaping moral limitations, what makes nagualism different from sorcery? What is the spiritual aspect of nagualism?
Assuming a warrior practices what DJM called "the right way to live," social/cultural morals are entirely irrelevant, because those things change as the world changes - just transient rules that may apply today and not tomorrow. The right way to live is another matter altogether - because it supercedes social/cultural "morals" and cuts straight to the heart of nagualism. The seeker who has become One with the nagual understands and practices the right way to live, not as a matter of rules or ideas, but as a matter of silent knowing. Unfortunately, the moment one attempts to put "the right way to live" into words (such as the 10 commandments, just for example), the right way to live is then diminished to words, and words are the foundation of "morals" and... back to the beginning we go. The right way to live is within every human being - I say "human" because we cannot know what TRWTL might be for a coyote or raven. We can only know within our human paradigm. And once we lose the humanform, we come to your next question:
What is the spiritual aspect of nagualism?
Evolution of awareness, and - most of all - embracing one's totality. What does that mean? Put simply, it is the union between self/double which brings the seeker face to face with the infinite. That is the spiritual aspect of nagualism - the cosmic orgasm of embracing who/what one is, and then from that new foundation, moving on to the next evolution.
QS
Ravenmoon wrote:
What is the difference between sorcery and nagualism. Are there strong distinctions? If so what?
I want to revisit this question. I read in another forum in mainforum here, about CC, and discussion was about: sorcery is not concerned with morals, and lies are not seen as bad. Energy and impeccability are all that matters, not compassion which is self importance in disguise. I do not disagree with those points. I have seen how ugly limiting morality grips society, and things done in the name of compassion may not be that at all. However, this renewed discussion on sorcery being indifferent to all these "human" concerns, does bring back to forefront an asking - so what IS nagualism if its not sorcery or social human? If sorcery is just about aquiring energy and escaping moral limitations, what makes nagualism different from sorcery? What is the spiritual aspect of nagualism?
Assuming a warrior practices what DJM called "the right way to live," social/cultural morals are entirely irrelevant, because those things change as the world changes - just transient rules that may apply today and not tomorrow. The right way to live is another matter altogether - because it supercedes social/cultural "morals" and cuts straight to the heart of nagualism. The seeker who has become One with the nagual understands and practices the right way to live, not as a matter of rules or ideas, but as a matter of silent knowing. Unfortunately, the moment one attempts to put "the right way to live" into words (such as the 10 commandments, just for example), the right way to live is then diminished to words, and words are the foundation of "morals" and... back to the beginning we go. The right way to live is within every human being - I say "human" because we cannot know what TRWTL might be for a coyote or raven. We can only know within our human paradigm. And once we lose the humanform, we come to your next question:
What is the spiritual aspect of nagualism?
Evolution of awareness, and - most of all - embracing one's totality. What does that mean? Put simply, it is the union between self/double which brings the seeker face to face with the infinite. That is the spiritual aspect of nagualism - the cosmic orgasm of embracing who/what one is, and then from that new foundation, moving on to the next evolution.
QS