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(((((((((((Los Angeles August 1995 - 4
To: The Ixtlan Mailing List
From: genrich@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:23:46 -0400
Los Angeles Intensive Tensegrity Workshop, August 6, 1995
Combined Groups - Sunday Afternoon Lecture - Carlos Castaneda
[The cafeteria this time was set up with chairs in three sections: in front
and on either side of the platform. The distance between the front rows of
chairs and the platform was 15 or more feet. The first two rows were reserved
for Castaneda's party, and as it neared 4 PM, Florinda Donner and Carol
Tiggs, along with the Blue and Orange Scouts, Taisha Abelar, Amalia Marquez
and the Chacmools filled in the first row. Others of the party, including
Fabrizio, Tracy Kramer, Raoul and Phillip made up the second row. The Scouts
had left some large envelopes (one looked like it was made up to look like a
fanciful pig) on front row chairs for Florinda and Taisha and others.
Castaneda took the platform wearing a light gray suit, with a light blue
shirt, dark blue tie and black shoes.]
Castaneda's first comments were "Why are you so far away? Why this distance?
I want proximity! Who set up the chairs?" [Florinda said, "Fabrizio."] CC
continued jokingly, "Ten points down!" After hesitating about having us move
up, everyone in the crowd finally dragged their chairs forward so they were
right up next to the platform. CC responded that, "I heard something unique
today -- the rumble of chairs. Extraordinary!" Then he explained that he was,
"going to talk about the Warrior's Path, but I want you to ask questions. But
not personal kinds of questions [meaning questions relating to ourselves]."
[He gave as an example a question someone had asked him the previous day
about the meaning of some magical word they'd heard. CC, of course couldn't
answer. The person had heard it in dreaming or something. This led CC to talk
about "dreaming."]))))))))))))))))
"Dreaming is a very serious affair. It requires discipline. Otherwise it's
just lucid dreaming, dealing solely with the concerns of the toes," i.e.,
self reflection. "But that [self reflection] is not what you will find in
that infinity. Knowing that, the sorcerers curtail their ego and personal
identity as much as possible. If I say something caustic, I don't mean it,
it's just to help you stop that 'me, me, me' fixation. To make you stop for a
second. If we could stop being eaten for a moment, our awareness would begin
to rebuild." DJ was a master at stopping this "me, me," fixation -- the idea
that "I am the center of the universe and I am receiving messages from
everywhere."
"I went to an astrologer as Joe Cortez; I paid $180. The woman said, 'Joe,
you're a mess. Your heart chakra is impinging on your throat chakra, your sex
life is terrible. You have a terrible complex about your race, don't you?
White women drive you insane.'" CC just hung his head and acted like she was
right. Then he went back six months later as Carlos Castaneda. And the woman
screamed, "Wow, what a beautiful, a beautiful, uh, uh" she couldn't find the
words. "Your brilliance equals the brilliance of my spiritual advice," or
some nonsense to that effect. "We like that, we fall for it." CC received a
letter from a man who wrote, "My spiritual advisor tells me my energy is just
like yours. I don't know exactly what he means, but do you need me?"
"I'm in Spain giving a lecture to a room full of Spaniards. You don't know
what it's like to talk to a room full of Spaniards. They all sit there like
this [he mimics their stone faced, serious looks]. My best jokes -- nothing!
Then a man stands up and asks, 'What do you see when you look at me?' I said,
'Uh, uh, I see you.' The man responds, 'Don't you see I'm just like you? You
have three compartments of energy; I have five!' CC says, 'Oh, how could I be
so dumb? I look at you and all I see is a turd.'
"There's nothing you could ask me about yourselves that is relevant to this
maneuver, to eliminating the weight of "ME." To get to our true heritage! We
have let something win by default. We're not present. You've taken the
trouble of coming here -- make it worthwhile! The Chacmools are giving you
200% They have selected the best exclusively for this occasion." Castaneda
advised us that perhaps it is worthwhile to cease encumbering the self, and
turning ourselves into egocentric beings. "Ultimately, we're all going to
die. Sorcerers say why don't you make this time extraordinary? You won't do
it again."
"People talk about reincarnation. I was very involved with the Self
Realization Fellowship when I was young. Paramahansa Yogananda held my hand."
He described receiving a mailer after an event there, and going up afterwards
to the shrine in Mount Washington [an area in Los Angeles north of downtown]
"and this divine, exquisite man held my hand. I liked the idea of what they
were doing." But DJ said, "Reincarnation is putting too much emphasis on the
self." CC told him about the theory that we come back as humans nine times
until we are perfect, at which point we can go to heaven. DJ said that the
emphasis on man coming back nine times is absurd; it puts an egocentric
emphasis on man. What about the animals and birds -- they evolve into humans?
What would the top be? I never found anyone who was at the top." DJ told him
he could give him a better explanation for sorcerers, "You have four
grandparents, eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents,
thirty-two great-great-great-grandparents. At the end of 1,000 years you have
10 million people contributing to you. All the ideas of reincarnation are
based on fleeting images people have. Why don't you think the fleeting images
come to you from your genetic frame -- your great-grandmother? Having a quick
image means you were someone else? We have ideologies that we wouldn't have
if we were on our own. The idea of us coming back over and over again is
absurd. I would like to leave you with this desire to really think, not
repeat descriptions of procedures we don't really understand but which we
just find easy to repeat. Sorcerers like DJ are down to earth, they are
really pragmatic, sober beings -- they use their brain."
"I came from a university setting. Don Juan asked 'What are you doing there?
You're not having a romance with knowledge; you are just going to be a
professionist.' He accused me of being an ****. 'What you are is a "bored
***."' I responded, 'What, what?'" He explained to CC that there are two
ways of conceiving children. The first is in "tremendous passion. It is
especially great if the mother is really excited. If she has an orgasm,
you're in great shape." The opposite is "the conception of a 'civilized man,'
who comes home late and says, 'No Honey, don't wake up.'" [He mimics the
woman being awakened in the middle of the act.] The result of this is "a
bored *** -- conceived in boredom -- 'civilized man.' People sleep together
in the same bed, mandatorily. I know a man whose wife is huge and she takes
over the bed, and snores. [He mimics the man squeezed up at the other edge of
the bed.] "And in the morning, when he's at the office, he's snoring. I know
a couple who wear matching pajama outfits," complete with the little night
cap with the little ball dangling in their face. The wife nags at the man to
blow the cap back. [He mimics the man blowing it back.] "Once every three
months, he has an erection. And he says, 'Oops, Honey what do we have here?'
They've had two children like that. I know what Don Juan meant"-- these
civilized man products "have no chance to jump into the inconceivable. They
are literal minded, go by the letter, and can't deviate. And Don Juan used to
say I was like them. He said, 'You think your mother was excited?' The more I
thought, the more desperate I got. 'Your father?' The more I thought, 'This
is a man incapable of anything.'" If you don't know this about yourself, "You
spend energy right and left as if you had loads of it. But nothing is final
for sorcerers. If you hold onto your energy, you can be like those conceived
under the best conditions. And your discipline will take you further yet.
Nothing is final. We have to know where we are first; otherwise, we spend all
our energy uselessly. Inexorably we are being led by something. That's what I
want to leave you with when you return home. We tell our parents, especially
our mother, to go *** herself. '*** you!' Then you end up doing exactly
what she wants. Always, one way or another. That's not a revolution. Like in
movies now, there's no possibility of leaving out the phrase, '*** you,' or
'Let's kick ass.' That's how we protest, with three letter words. Then we
have to go confess." [He mimics someone going to confession about saying
four-letter words.]
"Anger is an idiotic way of protesting. Revolution is the refusal of
surrender. You don't give up, no matter what, even bored *** that you are,
there's enough to get a shiver from this. The Warrior's Way includes
reinforcement of certain premises that are final if what we want is to face
infinity. For what? Don Juan says to go through whole. There is a force that
goes through us and when you die, sorcerers found out that the force that
takes your life experiences lent you your energy for you to enhance with your
experiences. And in the end it takes it back. The fact that the
disintegrating force takes the awareness of those experiences back, however,
doesn't mean it has to take our life force."
(((((((((((Los Angeles August 1995 - 4
To: The Ixtlan Mailing List
From: genrich@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:23:46 -0400
Los Angeles Intensive Tensegrity Workshop, August 6, 1995
Combined Groups - Sunday Afternoon Lecture - Carlos Castaneda
[The cafeteria this time was set up with chairs in three sections: in front
and on either side of the platform. The distance between the front rows of
chairs and the platform was 15 or more feet. The first two rows were reserved
for Castaneda's party, and as it neared 4 PM, Florinda Donner and Carol
Tiggs, along with the Blue and Orange Scouts, Taisha Abelar, Amalia Marquez
and the Chacmools filled in the first row. Others of the party, including
Fabrizio, Tracy Kramer, Raoul and Phillip made up the second row. The Scouts
had left some large envelopes (one looked like it was made up to look like a
fanciful pig) on front row chairs for Florinda and Taisha and others.
Castaneda took the platform wearing a light gray suit, with a light blue
shirt, dark blue tie and black shoes.]
Castaneda's first comments were "Why are you so far away? Why this distance?
I want proximity! Who set up the chairs?" [Florinda said, "Fabrizio."] CC
continued jokingly, "Ten points down!" After hesitating about having us move
up, everyone in the crowd finally dragged their chairs forward so they were
right up next to the platform. CC responded that, "I heard something unique
today -- the rumble of chairs. Extraordinary!" Then he explained that he was,
"going to talk about the Warrior's Path, but I want you to ask questions. But
not personal kinds of questions [meaning questions relating to ourselves]."
[He gave as an example a question someone had asked him the previous day
about the meaning of some magical word they'd heard. CC, of course couldn't
answer. The person had heard it in dreaming or something. This led CC to talk
about "dreaming."]))))))))))))))))
"Dreaming is a very serious affair. It requires discipline. Otherwise it's
just lucid dreaming, dealing solely with the concerns of the toes," i.e.,
self reflection. "But that [self reflection] is not what you will find in
that infinity. Knowing that, the sorcerers curtail their ego and personal
identity as much as possible. If I say something caustic, I don't mean it,
it's just to help you stop that 'me, me, me' fixation. To make you stop for a
second. If we could stop being eaten for a moment, our awareness would begin
to rebuild." DJ was a master at stopping this "me, me," fixation -- the idea
that "I am the center of the universe and I am receiving messages from
everywhere."
"I went to an astrologer as Joe Cortez; I paid $180. The woman said, 'Joe,
you're a mess. Your heart chakra is impinging on your throat chakra, your sex
life is terrible. You have a terrible complex about your race, don't you?
White women drive you insane.'" CC just hung his head and acted like she was
right. Then he went back six months later as Carlos Castaneda. And the woman
screamed, "Wow, what a beautiful, a beautiful, uh, uh" she couldn't find the
words. "Your brilliance equals the brilliance of my spiritual advice," or
some nonsense to that effect. "We like that, we fall for it." CC received a
letter from a man who wrote, "My spiritual advisor tells me my energy is just
like yours. I don't know exactly what he means, but do you need me?"
"I'm in Spain giving a lecture to a room full of Spaniards. You don't know
what it's like to talk to a room full of Spaniards. They all sit there like
this [he mimics their stone faced, serious looks]. My best jokes -- nothing!
Then a man stands up and asks, 'What do you see when you look at me?' I said,
'Uh, uh, I see you.' The man responds, 'Don't you see I'm just like you? You
have three compartments of energy; I have five!' CC says, 'Oh, how could I be
so dumb? I look at you and all I see is a turd.'
"There's nothing you could ask me about yourselves that is relevant to this
maneuver, to eliminating the weight of "ME." To get to our true heritage! We
have let something win by default. We're not present. You've taken the
trouble of coming here -- make it worthwhile! The Chacmools are giving you
200% They have selected the best exclusively for this occasion." Castaneda
advised us that perhaps it is worthwhile to cease encumbering the self, and
turning ourselves into egocentric beings. "Ultimately, we're all going to
die. Sorcerers say why don't you make this time extraordinary? You won't do
it again."
"People talk about reincarnation. I was very involved with the Self
Realization Fellowship when I was young. Paramahansa Yogananda held my hand."
He described receiving a mailer after an event there, and going up afterwards
to the shrine in Mount Washington [an area in Los Angeles north of downtown]
"and this divine, exquisite man held my hand. I liked the idea of what they
were doing." But DJ said, "Reincarnation is putting too much emphasis on the
self." CC told him about the theory that we come back as humans nine times
until we are perfect, at which point we can go to heaven. DJ said that the
emphasis on man coming back nine times is absurd; it puts an egocentric
emphasis on man. What about the animals and birds -- they evolve into humans?
What would the top be? I never found anyone who was at the top." DJ told him
he could give him a better explanation for sorcerers, "You have four
grandparents, eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents,
thirty-two great-great-great-grandparents. At the end of 1,000 years you have
10 million people contributing to you. All the ideas of reincarnation are
based on fleeting images people have. Why don't you think the fleeting images
come to you from your genetic frame -- your great-grandmother? Having a quick
image means you were someone else? We have ideologies that we wouldn't have
if we were on our own. The idea of us coming back over and over again is
absurd. I would like to leave you with this desire to really think, not
repeat descriptions of procedures we don't really understand but which we
just find easy to repeat. Sorcerers like DJ are down to earth, they are
really pragmatic, sober beings -- they use their brain."
"I came from a university setting. Don Juan asked 'What are you doing there?
You're not having a romance with knowledge; you are just going to be a
professionist.' He accused me of being an ****. 'What you are is a "bored
***."' I responded, 'What, what?'" He explained to CC that there are two
ways of conceiving children. The first is in "tremendous passion. It is
especially great if the mother is really excited. If she has an orgasm,
you're in great shape." The opposite is "the conception of a 'civilized man,'
who comes home late and says, 'No Honey, don't wake up.'" [He mimics the
woman being awakened in the middle of the act.] The result of this is "a
bored *** -- conceived in boredom -- 'civilized man.' People sleep together
in the same bed, mandatorily. I know a man whose wife is huge and she takes
over the bed, and snores. [He mimics the man squeezed up at the other edge of
the bed.] "And in the morning, when he's at the office, he's snoring. I know
a couple who wear matching pajama outfits," complete with the little night
cap with the little ball dangling in their face. The wife nags at the man to
blow the cap back. [He mimics the man blowing it back.] "Once every three
months, he has an erection. And he says, 'Oops, Honey what do we have here?'
They've had two children like that. I know what Don Juan meant"-- these
civilized man products "have no chance to jump into the inconceivable. They
are literal minded, go by the letter, and can't deviate. And Don Juan used to
say I was like them. He said, 'You think your mother was excited?' The more I
thought, the more desperate I got. 'Your father?' The more I thought, 'This
is a man incapable of anything.'" If you don't know this about yourself, "You
spend energy right and left as if you had loads of it. But nothing is final
for sorcerers. If you hold onto your energy, you can be like those conceived
under the best conditions. And your discipline will take you further yet.
Nothing is final. We have to know where we are first; otherwise, we spend all
our energy uselessly. Inexorably we are being led by something. That's what I
want to leave you with when you return home. We tell our parents, especially
our mother, to go *** herself. '*** you!' Then you end up doing exactly
what she wants. Always, one way or another. That's not a revolution. Like in
movies now, there's no possibility of leaving out the phrase, '*** you,' or
'Let's kick ass.' That's how we protest, with three letter words. Then we
have to go confess." [He mimics someone going to confession about saying
four-letter words.]
"Anger is an idiotic way of protesting. Revolution is the refusal of
surrender. You don't give up, no matter what, even bored *** that you are,
there's enough to get a shiver from this. The Warrior's Way includes
reinforcement of certain premises that are final if what we want is to face
infinity. For what? Don Juan says to go through whole. There is a force that
goes through us and when you die, sorcerers found out that the force that
takes your life experiences lent you your energy for you to enhance with your
experiences. And in the end it takes it back. The fact that the
disintegrating force takes the awareness of those experiences back, however,
doesn't mean it has to take our life force."