09-07-2011, 12:01 AM
To be perfectly honest I was quite surprised reading Jeremy Donovan's (aka Talking Brujo Dog 'TBD') dreaming story that began this thread. In the past I was accustomed to the SR skeptics shooting down any such stories as lies or nonsense and ridiculing the person for sharing them as either a liar or a TB (True Believer). Ridicule of such stories was standard fare here in the SR Castaneda's Legacy forum. I was truly tempted to take a purely skeptics stance toward the story so that I could give him back the poison I was used to enduring when I used to post here as Warrior Seer.
So, what does a hardcore skeptic do? Well, he usually crushes all beliefs. He usually crushes and ridicules all hope of magical mystery to life. A friend of mine told me of a Martin Lawrence stand-up comedy routine where Martin said, "A critic can't do sh*t. That's why he has to talk about YOUR sh*t!" Yes, that would apply to my feelings about the staunch, close-minded skeptics.
Wesley Dodds (aka Guy Gardner) would pick and choose whatever he wanted to be real about don Juan's teachings and ridicule everything else doing his best to make anyone feel like a fool for believing in anything he was certain was not true. As though HE was the only authority in the whole world who knew exactly what was fact and what was fiction in the works of Carlos Castaneda. Talk about a bloated ego! Some dream entities once told him that he was the "seventh greatest dreamer in the world" and, of course, he just blindly believed it. Hey, get a clue, Guy! Just because some dream entities tell you something doesn't automatically mean it is true! Now, why would Guy blindly believe it was the truth? Because Castaneda's don Juan stated that such dream entities cannot lie and he just blindly believed it as fact. So, when people like Guy pick and choose what is true about don Juan's teachings and ridicule the rest why should his views be trusted? I can't think of a single reason to blindly believe him or anyone who says ANYTHING I cannot personally verify.
I can no longer find it in me to crush peoples 'dreams' in life. If Jeremy wants to believe he had a lucid dream who am I to say otherwise? If it inspired him to become a better person, heck, I'm all for becoming a better person so I have no desire to ridicule Jeremy's dream and call it the nonsense of a TB or whatever else the old SR regulars would say about such things. This much I know for certain: In the old days of SR Jeremy Talking Brujo Dog would NEVER have shared this experience because he knew how the regulars would react. Even if he did have such a dream he would never share it here; or at least I NEVER remember him doing so.
Wesley Guy Gardner once had the guts to do so and was given his own dreaming forum. I was amazed! It was the only way Wesley could deal with the blind, narrow-minded skeptics because in his own dreaming forum he could delete the posts of the skeptics and kick them out.
I remember Corey Donovan's skepticism; badmouthing the lessons of don Juan every chance he got. Then came the day he met Victor Sanchez. Corey came back here saying how Victor Sanchez was "down to Earth". Oh, I really let him have it for that! How could Victor Sanchez be 'down to Earth' believing and practicing the best of what don Juan taught that Corey was certain was made up nonsense? The very concept completely went against the grain of all that Corey Donovan was pushing in this forum.
Supposedly, Victor Sanchez verified the best of what Castaneda's don Juan taught by living with actual descendants of the Toltecs. Victor did indeed verify empirically that don Juan's teachings were indeed of ancient Toltec descent.
I remember when Amy Wallace had her book published about Carlos Castaneda. Corey was all for her and gave her a forum of her own here at SR that is now closed, I believe. Amy let it slip that Castaneda secretly hated gay men and would ridicule them in secret. She must have forgotten that Corey Donovan was gay. It was too late. The cat had been let out of the bag and all of a sudden Corey Donovan's animosity against Carlos Castaneda made sense.
I'll tell you what stalking is in the empirical sense: It's secretly finding gay men detestable and yet dealing with a gay guy like Corey Donovan without giving him so much as a hint of a clue that Castaneda actually despised Corey Donovan. Corey didn't have a clue how Castaneda actually felt about him until after Castaneda's death. Then Corey went on the warpath. Of course, Corey never gave anyone here a clue the source of his animosity. It took a slip of the fingers of Amy Wallace to show everyone here what was actually going on. Apparently, I was the only one to put the proverbial pieces together. Once I did everything changed alright! I had just what I needed.
So I say again: If Castaneda had been spouting don Juan philosophy before he met the shaman people would have been screaming FRAUD from the time of his first book's success! Oh, how the other anthropologists must have been jealous of Castaneda's success. They would have torn him apart, philosophically, if Castaneda did not honestly portray himself in his books. Yes, that's the way Carlos Castaneda actually was in his first three books and all his rivals knew it. There was obviously no spouting of don Juan philosophy before he met the shaman. Does that automatically mean that everything don Juan stated was true? Don't be ridiculous! Fools believe the world is made up of 'black & white' in that either it's all true or it's all false. In actuality the wise realize that the world is made up of infinite shades of gray. Some can be true and some can be false.
The SR forum can be compared to a place where the only thing about a book like the Bhagavad-Gita they feel is important is whether or not Krishna was an actual person. Get a clue, skeptics! Whatever good and wholesome teachings work to better people's lives are indeed good and wholesome! It doesn't matter whether or not the Buddha. or Socrates, or Plato, or don Juan, or Jesus, or etc were actual people. That which is true and useful is true and useful period! Arguing back and forth whether or not don Juan actually existed is for ignorant fools! Either don Juan actually existed or Castaneda was one of the greatest modern authors ever to walk the face of the modern Earth. He created a philosophy that jump-started an entire spiritual movement. Not even Mark Twain can make such a claim.
So then, is there any evidence that Castaneda was spouting don Juan philosophy before he met the shaman? None I have found that is worth taking seriously.
Carlos Castaneda Before don Juan:
http://wanderling.tripod.com/castaneda_donjuan.html
So, what does a hardcore skeptic do? Well, he usually crushes all beliefs. He usually crushes and ridicules all hope of magical mystery to life. A friend of mine told me of a Martin Lawrence stand-up comedy routine where Martin said, "A critic can't do sh*t. That's why he has to talk about YOUR sh*t!" Yes, that would apply to my feelings about the staunch, close-minded skeptics.
Wesley Dodds (aka Guy Gardner) would pick and choose whatever he wanted to be real about don Juan's teachings and ridicule everything else doing his best to make anyone feel like a fool for believing in anything he was certain was not true. As though HE was the only authority in the whole world who knew exactly what was fact and what was fiction in the works of Carlos Castaneda. Talk about a bloated ego! Some dream entities once told him that he was the "seventh greatest dreamer in the world" and, of course, he just blindly believed it. Hey, get a clue, Guy! Just because some dream entities tell you something doesn't automatically mean it is true! Now, why would Guy blindly believe it was the truth? Because Castaneda's don Juan stated that such dream entities cannot lie and he just blindly believed it as fact. So, when people like Guy pick and choose what is true about don Juan's teachings and ridicule the rest why should his views be trusted? I can't think of a single reason to blindly believe him or anyone who says ANYTHING I cannot personally verify.
I can no longer find it in me to crush peoples 'dreams' in life. If Jeremy wants to believe he had a lucid dream who am I to say otherwise? If it inspired him to become a better person, heck, I'm all for becoming a better person so I have no desire to ridicule Jeremy's dream and call it the nonsense of a TB or whatever else the old SR regulars would say about such things. This much I know for certain: In the old days of SR Jeremy Talking Brujo Dog would NEVER have shared this experience because he knew how the regulars would react. Even if he did have such a dream he would never share it here; or at least I NEVER remember him doing so.
Wesley Guy Gardner once had the guts to do so and was given his own dreaming forum. I was amazed! It was the only way Wesley could deal with the blind, narrow-minded skeptics because in his own dreaming forum he could delete the posts of the skeptics and kick them out.
I remember Corey Donovan's skepticism; badmouthing the lessons of don Juan every chance he got. Then came the day he met Victor Sanchez. Corey came back here saying how Victor Sanchez was "down to Earth". Oh, I really let him have it for that! How could Victor Sanchez be 'down to Earth' believing and practicing the best of what don Juan taught that Corey was certain was made up nonsense? The very concept completely went against the grain of all that Corey Donovan was pushing in this forum.
Supposedly, Victor Sanchez verified the best of what Castaneda's don Juan taught by living with actual descendants of the Toltecs. Victor did indeed verify empirically that don Juan's teachings were indeed of ancient Toltec descent.
I remember when Amy Wallace had her book published about Carlos Castaneda. Corey was all for her and gave her a forum of her own here at SR that is now closed, I believe. Amy let it slip that Castaneda secretly hated gay men and would ridicule them in secret. She must have forgotten that Corey Donovan was gay. It was too late. The cat had been let out of the bag and all of a sudden Corey Donovan's animosity against Carlos Castaneda made sense.
I'll tell you what stalking is in the empirical sense: It's secretly finding gay men detestable and yet dealing with a gay guy like Corey Donovan without giving him so much as a hint of a clue that Castaneda actually despised Corey Donovan. Corey didn't have a clue how Castaneda actually felt about him until after Castaneda's death. Then Corey went on the warpath. Of course, Corey never gave anyone here a clue the source of his animosity. It took a slip of the fingers of Amy Wallace to show everyone here what was actually going on. Apparently, I was the only one to put the proverbial pieces together. Once I did everything changed alright! I had just what I needed.
So I say again: If Castaneda had been spouting don Juan philosophy before he met the shaman people would have been screaming FRAUD from the time of his first book's success! Oh, how the other anthropologists must have been jealous of Castaneda's success. They would have torn him apart, philosophically, if Castaneda did not honestly portray himself in his books. Yes, that's the way Carlos Castaneda actually was in his first three books and all his rivals knew it. There was obviously no spouting of don Juan philosophy before he met the shaman. Does that automatically mean that everything don Juan stated was true? Don't be ridiculous! Fools believe the world is made up of 'black & white' in that either it's all true or it's all false. In actuality the wise realize that the world is made up of infinite shades of gray. Some can be true and some can be false.
The SR forum can be compared to a place where the only thing about a book like the Bhagavad-Gita they feel is important is whether or not Krishna was an actual person. Get a clue, skeptics! Whatever good and wholesome teachings work to better people's lives are indeed good and wholesome! It doesn't matter whether or not the Buddha. or Socrates, or Plato, or don Juan, or Jesus, or etc were actual people. That which is true and useful is true and useful period! Arguing back and forth whether or not don Juan actually existed is for ignorant fools! Either don Juan actually existed or Castaneda was one of the greatest modern authors ever to walk the face of the modern Earth. He created a philosophy that jump-started an entire spiritual movement. Not even Mark Twain can make such a claim.
So then, is there any evidence that Castaneda was spouting don Juan philosophy before he met the shaman? None I have found that is worth taking seriously.
Carlos Castaneda Before don Juan:
http://wanderling.tripod.com/castaneda_donjuan.html