09-16-2011, 12:02 AM
A siris wrote:Supposedly, we are all God equally with no one person more "God"
than anyone else.
In an ideal spirit sense but in actuality some people 'express' more of God than others; some are conscious of 'God' on some level and seek to resonate with that energy (Life Force, Infinity, the Universe, Mother Nature, Consciousness, Unconditional Love, Light) while others do not care, are indifferent, or ignorant and unconscious of the presence/actuality/manifestation of 'God' (SPIRIT); & some choose to go against that Force and become anti-life (murderers, haters, spiritual suicide, petty tyrants, etc)
...so time and experience can set people apart, yet each soul's potential and destiny is the deciding factor, and Spirit is the ultimate decider of that (acquiesce to the designs
of intent) whether the soul lives up to its potential or manifests all of it is up to the free-will of the soul... and if the soul is to survive in eternity, then it has all the time in the world to manifest it.
There are some flaws with your logic which leads me to wonder if you are just simply repeating an accepted belief without having firsthand experience of what you are talking about.
First of all (getting over the hurdle of the whole god-thing..assuming is true for the discussion), no person can express more god than another. Either people ARE an expression of god or they are not. If they are, then all people are always an expression of god no matter what they are doing. Where this seems to get mucked up for you (which is also Gonzo's problem) is the failure to discern the difference between your perception of these matters and the matters themselves. For example, you take on an agreement that something loving is more godlike than something like war and so based on your agreement this alters your perception of what people are doing and then perceive that some are more godlike in their expression. However, this is only a function of your perception.
Asked to elaborate on enlightenment being the transcendence of self, what I stated above illustrates this. You are caught in the cycle of agreed perceptions and cannot seem to tell the difference. Agreements and perceptions are a function of self. Transcendence of the agreements and the perceptions yeilds a freedom and wisdom that is an aspect of enlightenment. And "exhaltation" of ones agreements and perceptions would be the antithesis of enlightenment.
Whether a consciousness can awaken beyond the cycle of the human tendencies is not a question, all can. However, the "exhaltation" of self, or self worship, is a seductive trap. In order to wake up, one would need to foster the kind of internal strength and perserverance to deny the pleasures...as the story of Siddartha reveals. Not everyone is willing to overcome their desire for pleasures, nor do all see the reason for doing so.
than anyone else.
In an ideal spirit sense but in actuality some people 'express' more of God than others; some are conscious of 'God' on some level and seek to resonate with that energy (Life Force, Infinity, the Universe, Mother Nature, Consciousness, Unconditional Love, Light) while others do not care, are indifferent, or ignorant and unconscious of the presence/actuality/manifestation of 'God' (SPIRIT); & some choose to go against that Force and become anti-life (murderers, haters, spiritual suicide, petty tyrants, etc)
...so time and experience can set people apart, yet each soul's potential and destiny is the deciding factor, and Spirit is the ultimate decider of that (acquiesce to the designs
of intent) whether the soul lives up to its potential or manifests all of it is up to the free-will of the soul... and if the soul is to survive in eternity, then it has all the time in the world to manifest it.
There are some flaws with your logic which leads me to wonder if you are just simply repeating an accepted belief without having firsthand experience of what you are talking about.
First of all (getting over the hurdle of the whole god-thing..assuming is true for the discussion), no person can express more god than another. Either people ARE an expression of god or they are not. If they are, then all people are always an expression of god no matter what they are doing. Where this seems to get mucked up for you (which is also Gonzo's problem) is the failure to discern the difference between your perception of these matters and the matters themselves. For example, you take on an agreement that something loving is more godlike than something like war and so based on your agreement this alters your perception of what people are doing and then perceive that some are more godlike in their expression. However, this is only a function of your perception.
Asked to elaborate on enlightenment being the transcendence of self, what I stated above illustrates this. You are caught in the cycle of agreed perceptions and cannot seem to tell the difference. Agreements and perceptions are a function of self. Transcendence of the agreements and the perceptions yeilds a freedom and wisdom that is an aspect of enlightenment. And "exhaltation" of ones agreements and perceptions would be the antithesis of enlightenment.
Whether a consciousness can awaken beyond the cycle of the human tendencies is not a question, all can. However, the "exhaltation" of self, or self worship, is a seductive trap. In order to wake up, one would need to foster the kind of internal strength and perserverance to deny the pleasures...as the story of Siddartha reveals. Not everyone is willing to overcome their desire for pleasures, nor do all see the reason for doing so.