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((( THE GREAT SACATECA JEREMY DONOVAN DEBATE )))
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INTRODUCTION:
I awake to a beautiful day filled with hope for more miraculous manifestations to come. Others are brainwashed into believing that life is limited and what we perceive is the final authority as to what is and is not possible. I do not subscribe to a belief of limited possibilities. I 'see' the Universe as vibrant with awareness, even as don Juan did, and I believe I can unravel and make fully functional my ability to manifest increasingly wonderful things through the power of my impeccably focused and assertively concentrated Intent. Others would say this is nonsense. They are correct! It is indeed nonsense...FOR THEM!!
I give everyone the right to assemble a world of limitations and hopelessness. That is indeed their choice and none of my business


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JEREMY TBD WROTE:
"If those are the 'terms', I only agree to part of them - the part that says you could be wrong."
MY RESPONSE:
Well then, Jeremy, since I can admit that I can be wrong, but YOU cannot admit that YOU could be wrong YOU are my Spiritual inferior. YOU prove yourself to be a self-righteous pompous ass. Just think if it were the other way around. Supposed you said that you feel there was no don Juan, but YOU could be wrong and I staunchly stated there was a don Juan, period. Who would be the ass then? In that scenario YOU would be the wiser in this matter. YOU have chosen to take the stand of a self-righteous fool. Since you are certain there was no don Juan yet stayed in the Castaneda cult then you are an admitted sucker of an **** from start to finish and you still are.
JEREMY TBD WROTE:
"Anyone who insists there's no major difference between works of fiction and non-fiction has no..."
MY RESPONSE:
I say the difference between purported fiction and non-fiction books is that non-fiction books supposedly contain no fiction, like the evening news. If YOU are sucker enough to blindly believe the evening news or that a supposed non-fiction book contains no fiction whatsoever you are indeed a sucker ripe to be taken for a fool again
Bet you are still certain that textbooks are total non-fiction, right? I say just because a textbook is supposed to be non-fiction does not automatically mean that there is no fiction in it. YOU, however, are sucker enough to believe that books labeled non-fiction automatically contain total truth. This is the stance of the blind fools who start wars over the infallibility of their purportedly infallible and inerrant books.
Since you are certain that YOU cannot be wrong YOU are my inferior, Jeremy
I'm man enough to admit I can be wrong. YOU are not man enough to admit that YOU could be wrong so you are my inferior. Thanks for openly admitting that.
ALSO, YOU are nowhere near as interesting as I am and I can prove it!
So, let's take things to the next level while I prove I am more interesting than YOU are, okay? Great!

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DEAR JEREMY TBD:
After what you have been through you can't possibly be dumb enough to believe a book contains no fiction whatsoever just because it is labeled non-fiction. Tell us you are not that dumb, Jeremy!
Who is to determine whether or not a book contains fiction? UCLA who gave Carlos Castaneda a Ph. D? Are THEY the final authorities, Jeremy? Are the fanatical religious the final authorities in such matters.
OR ARE YOU!!!
Do tell!!
It seems to me that your whole stance, over the years, has been: 'Just because a university like UCLA says that certain books are non-fiction DON'T BLINDLY BELIEVE IT!
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this has been your stance all through the years in this forum. How is that different from my stance on supposed non-fiction like the daily world news reports? Do you just blindly believe the Fox news reports on ANY matter they may choose to report on? Tell us you are not that dumb, Jeremy, tell us you are not that dumb!
So then, WHO exactly is the final authority to determine what is complete fiction and what is complete non-fiction. Do tell!!!

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JEREMY DONOVAN TBD WROTE:
"For years I was an A-student in a university physics program so I probably know more about physics than you, and as usual you miss vital points, such as that even though subatomic structures encompass large amounts of 'empty space' and have unusual characteristics like dual particle/wave nature, uncertainty of position/momentum, etc., at a 'macro' level structures like humans, cars, and couches do behave as 'solid objects',..."
MY RESPONSE:
So what? Castaneda behaved as though his works were complete non-fiction, right? Just because supposedly solid objects behave as though they are solid does not automatically mean they are solid. What it means is THEY BEHAVE as though they are solid objects. Just as Castaneda BEHAVED as though his works contained no fiction whatsoever. You were sucker enough to fall for it and you are obviously still a sucker.
I agree with don Juan in that there are infinite possibilities of perception at our proverbial fingertips. The world is much more than it appears to be and the latest discoveries in quantum physics are proving this to be true. New discoveries in quantum physics prove that electrons react as though they KNOW they are being watched when studied. Don Juan taught of a world of awareness all around us where we can get omens and agreements from the world. New discoveries in quantum physics are implying that at the subatomic level there is nothing sold about reality whatsoever. Supposedly, what we experience as reality is a sort of shimmering holographic in nature and responds to our consciousness. Like it or not, consciousness apparently plays a major role in how we perceive supposed reality. How we focus on reality determines how the mysterious wave functions around us will collapse into the daily reality we perceive. There are possibilities here that I am successfully exploring where the Universe can indeed be Lovingly Romanced into revealing fully functional secrets for manipulating MY PERSONAL reality any wonderful way I may choose towards the manifestation of any wonderful thing I can properly imagine.
As for YOUR personal reality, that is none of my business to manipulate. YOU are on your own, hotshot. None of my business what happens to you and people like you, Jeremy. Manifest heaven or manifest hell. None of my business.
The world may look the same, physically, but the worlds of the hopeful and the hopeless are two completely different worlds whether you agree or not, Jeremy. The hopeful and the hopeless may be living next door to each other, but they are assembling two completely different worlds as they go through life. I know this from empirical experience that the world I assemble when I feel weak and hopeless is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the world I assemble when I feel strong, healthy and hopeful!

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JEREMY TBD WROTE:
"and you should have learned that when the ocean dumped you on your fool head,..."
MY RESPONSE:
I've already made it clear that Mother Nature DEMANDS payments for the secrets about reality She chooses to reveal and the currency of the Spirit is a specific SUFFERING imposed. I've learned that I either pay the price or I don't get the prize. My fifth near-death experience was another installment of 'payments' to Mother Nature and I have risen in Spiritual rank as a result. Whether or not you believe this is completely irrelevant.
YOU, JEREMY, ARE (((NOT))) THE FINAL AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS OR WHAT IS NOT FICTION!!!
All my best posts here are saved in the forum you can find by clicking on my registered name and going to the About Me section of my profile

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COCONUTS WROTE:
"Nobody reads your posts."
MY RESPONSE:
Well, since nobody clicks on your YouTube links that makes us about even. Except that I am more interesting than you!

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ENERGYLOVER WROTE:
" You don't have the guts to admit that
your ego took you for the ride of your life."
MY RESPONSE:
How exactly? Please be specific. It seems to me that Jeremy and I are both saying that just because some university says books are non-fiction DON'T BLINDLY BELIEVE IT!
Jeremy wants to turn it into something else, but that is the core of what I believe and, apparently, Jeremy believes it as well
I say I could be wrong, but Jeremy pompously thinks he is infallibly right in the matter of Carlos Castaneda. I say that makes him a self-righteous pompous ass. He seems to think his stance makes him wise, but it proves to all why he's ripe to be taken in by another person trying to sucker the world; like the Anti-Christ


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TALKING JEREMY DOG BELOW ME WROTE:
"For example, Carlos may have used some of the ideas of Salvador Lopez and/or Ramon Medina Silva.  Or, he may have read the teachings of little known shaman(s) in some now defunct version of the old Palm Springs Indian library."
MY RESPONSE:
I agree in that he may have or he may not have. So what? That does not affect the literary beauty of Castaneda's book Journey To Ixtlan. You say Carlos lied. I say EVERYONE LIES. Everyone I have ever gotten to know has lied at one time or another. Fact of the matter is that if Castaneda tricked UCLA into giving him a Ph. D that is a heck of a lot more interesting than if don Juan was an actual personage AND YOU ALL KNOW IT!

TALKING JEREMY DOG BELOW ME WROTE:
"Naturally, in keeping with his lifelong pattern, whatever source(s) he used, he would almost certainly have embellished the accounts and distorted the facts to suit his desired story lines."
MY RESPONSE:
What empirical proof do you have that ALL WRITERS do not embellish their accounts in order to make them more interesting? YOU HAVE NO PROOF WHATSOEVER!! I say the wise will agree with me in that you cannot trust a book to be complete non-fiction just because it says so on the cover. Any fool should agree with me on this

TALKING JEREMY DOG WROTE:
"And without stumbling on more precise information, it's probably not possible to fully resolve these questions."
MY RESPONSE:
In other words, YOU COULD BE WRONG!

TALKING JEREMY DOG:
"Most information that goes into books like textbooks has already not only been empirically verified, the information published in most textbooks, especially in hard sciences, usually doesn't get put in there at all until there is also major accepted encompassing theory related to the empirically verified facts."
MY RESPONSE:
I know for empirical fact that the American history taught in the public school system is a lot different from the American history I learned afterwards when I did my own personal research. THEIR public school American history apparently contains a lot of FICTION!! They don't want to mention how the "founding fathers" of America were Freemasons and that Christianity considers Freemasonry a cult of the devil. That is a very important truth, don't you think? It implies that America was actually formed by a demonic cult posing as Christianity. Hey, I say that is rather important to know!
As for 'hard science" books. I've heard they were recently discovered to be riddled with errors. Every error in a science textbook is, by nature, FICTION!

TALKING JEREMY DOG BELOW ME WROTE:
"And the day you can do anything other than TALK about 'infinite possibilities of perception' is the day I'll start listening to any of that empty rhetoric."
MY RESPONSE:
My personal reality is my proof. What YOU believe or don't believe is none of my business, but I can indeed PROVE that I am more interesting than you IF I WERE ALLOWED TO CREATE JUST AS MANY POSTS AS YOU DO! This having to create superlong posts has a way of obscuring the truth. I want to be able to address ONE POINT per post, but I can't because I am only allowed three-posts a day while you can create posts to your heart's content. You may see that as fair, but I see that as giving you an UNFAIR advantage in this debate!
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