10-03-2011, 12:00 AM
BRAINYSMURF WROTE:
"Don
Juan is far too great a Nagual to make a mistake such as teaching a
person like Carlos Castaneda to be in charge of other people's lives and
destinies. No real Nagual would train a person like Carlos Castaneda to
be a working Nagual. Would not happen, therefore it did not happen. How
much clearer does one have to be?"
MY RESPONSE:
As
though you belong to the OFFICIAL nagual Teamsters union and you know a
real nagual from a false one. Tell us then: Is Lujan Matus a "real"
nagual? This answer I just gotta see. How about Victor Sanchez or don
Miguel Ruiz? Are THEY "real" naguals?
Believe it or not, I've
read the books of Castaneda so many times in the past that I am somewhat
of a don Juan scholar. I'm not a Castaneda scholar, but I am indeed a
don Juan scholar and from that perspective I can easily say that you are
right. Don Juan didn't want to have ANYTHING to do with Carlos
Castaneda. I believe it was in The Power of Silence that don Juan
finally told Castaneda that the mere act of being in his presence truly
made him want to vomit. The ONLY REASON don Juan bothered with Castaneda
at all was because he was given many omens from the Spirit that he was
supposed to teach Carlos Castaneda all he knew about sorcery. Don Juan
was given many omens, in the beginning, that Carlos was the man chosen
by Intent to take his place as leader of the Genaros and Little Sisters
sorcerer party. Eventually, don Juan and the others 'saw' that although
Castaneda APPEARED to be a four-pronged nagual (having some sort of
four-compartment configuration to his energetic being) Carlos was
actually a "three-prong" nagual which made him useless to continue their
sorcery line. Genaro eventually became convinced that Carlos Castaneda
was NOT the man there were seeking and they all became determined to get
him out of their group. Into the fray came Silvio Manuel who almost
killed Castaneda and had to bring him back to life by giving Carlos his
breath. The Genaros and the Little Sisters were terrified of Silvio
Manuel and pretty much considered him to be the devil. The "nagual"
entity that possessed don Juan and made him the nagual leader was
transferred to Carlos Castaneda in a heightened awareness ritual. Dona
Soledad bluntly said that the nagual being possessing don Juan was a
devil from God only knows what time.
I believe this is how the
story goes, but my memory could be inaccurate. So, it is my belief that
don Juan's allies secretly saw, in and through Carlos Castaneda, an
opportunity to glut themselves on the energies of MANY, MANY people.
This was something I believe those "allies" hid from don Juan and the
others. Those "ally" beings (known in witchcraft circles and the Bible
as familiar spirits) had a secret agenda and Cleargreen is their vehicle
to glut themselves and their relatives on much more energy than they
would ever have had if Carlos Castaneda had been the man to continue the
sorcery line of don Juan. Carlos ended that sorcery line and created a
new one through the guinea pigs who comprised the Sunday sessions group.
I
believe that Sunday group was the litmus test experiment to see whether
or not Tensegrity would work to attract and hold people's attention
while the inorganic beings would take an OUTRAGEOUS percentage of the
energy the clueless twits attracted and thus generated through energetic
Tensegrity movements.
That's my current view and, unlike Jeremy
Donovan TBD, I KNOW I could be wrong about this. Jeremy would convince
you all that there is no way HE could be wrong about his assessment of
the Castaneda situation. He would convince you all that you should
blindly believe everything he says about Carlos Castaneda because 'HE
was there' and you weren't.
That reminds me of some Christians I
met who seem to feel they could convince me I should trust them over my
own opinions because THEY had studied the New Testament in Greek and I
had not. I asked them if the Greeks were more truly "spiritual" than
Americans and they said "no". So I logically concluded this being the
case I don't see how my learning to study the New Testament of the Bible
in Greek would make any real difference. In response to these
self-righteous Christians I bought SEVEN translations of the Bible so
that I could have the benefit of MANY Biblical interpreters when
determining the meaning of certain passages. I would have the benefit of
MANY Greek translator authorities to eventually find that, apparently,
THEY ALL disagreed on how certain key passages should be interpreted.
Yes,
this reminds me of Jeremy alright. We should all blindly believe him
because HE was there and we weren't. Sorry, Jeremy. I am no longer than
dumb.
"Don
Juan is far too great a Nagual to make a mistake such as teaching a
person like Carlos Castaneda to be in charge of other people's lives and
destinies. No real Nagual would train a person like Carlos Castaneda to
be a working Nagual. Would not happen, therefore it did not happen. How
much clearer does one have to be?"
MY RESPONSE:
As
though you belong to the OFFICIAL nagual Teamsters union and you know a
real nagual from a false one. Tell us then: Is Lujan Matus a "real"
nagual? This answer I just gotta see. How about Victor Sanchez or don
Miguel Ruiz? Are THEY "real" naguals?
Believe it or not, I've
read the books of Castaneda so many times in the past that I am somewhat
of a don Juan scholar. I'm not a Castaneda scholar, but I am indeed a
don Juan scholar and from that perspective I can easily say that you are
right. Don Juan didn't want to have ANYTHING to do with Carlos
Castaneda. I believe it was in The Power of Silence that don Juan
finally told Castaneda that the mere act of being in his presence truly
made him want to vomit. The ONLY REASON don Juan bothered with Castaneda
at all was because he was given many omens from the Spirit that he was
supposed to teach Carlos Castaneda all he knew about sorcery. Don Juan
was given many omens, in the beginning, that Carlos was the man chosen
by Intent to take his place as leader of the Genaros and Little Sisters
sorcerer party. Eventually, don Juan and the others 'saw' that although
Castaneda APPEARED to be a four-pronged nagual (having some sort of
four-compartment configuration to his energetic being) Carlos was
actually a "three-prong" nagual which made him useless to continue their
sorcery line. Genaro eventually became convinced that Carlos Castaneda
was NOT the man there were seeking and they all became determined to get
him out of their group. Into the fray came Silvio Manuel who almost
killed Castaneda and had to bring him back to life by giving Carlos his
breath. The Genaros and the Little Sisters were terrified of Silvio
Manuel and pretty much considered him to be the devil. The "nagual"
entity that possessed don Juan and made him the nagual leader was
transferred to Carlos Castaneda in a heightened awareness ritual. Dona
Soledad bluntly said that the nagual being possessing don Juan was a
devil from God only knows what time.
I believe this is how the
story goes, but my memory could be inaccurate. So, it is my belief that
don Juan's allies secretly saw, in and through Carlos Castaneda, an
opportunity to glut themselves on the energies of MANY, MANY people.
This was something I believe those "allies" hid from don Juan and the
others. Those "ally" beings (known in witchcraft circles and the Bible
as familiar spirits) had a secret agenda and Cleargreen is their vehicle
to glut themselves and their relatives on much more energy than they
would ever have had if Carlos Castaneda had been the man to continue the
sorcery line of don Juan. Carlos ended that sorcery line and created a
new one through the guinea pigs who comprised the Sunday sessions group.
I
believe that Sunday group was the litmus test experiment to see whether
or not Tensegrity would work to attract and hold people's attention
while the inorganic beings would take an OUTRAGEOUS percentage of the
energy the clueless twits attracted and thus generated through energetic
Tensegrity movements.
That's my current view and, unlike Jeremy
Donovan TBD, I KNOW I could be wrong about this. Jeremy would convince
you all that there is no way HE could be wrong about his assessment of
the Castaneda situation. He would convince you all that you should
blindly believe everything he says about Carlos Castaneda because 'HE
was there' and you weren't.
That reminds me of some Christians I
met who seem to feel they could convince me I should trust them over my
own opinions because THEY had studied the New Testament in Greek and I
had not. I asked them if the Greeks were more truly "spiritual" than
Americans and they said "no". So I logically concluded this being the
case I don't see how my learning to study the New Testament of the Bible
in Greek would make any real difference. In response to these
self-righteous Christians I bought SEVEN translations of the Bible so
that I could have the benefit of MANY Biblical interpreters when
determining the meaning of certain passages. I would have the benefit of
MANY Greek translator authorities to eventually find that, apparently,
THEY ALL disagreed on how certain key passages should be interpreted.
Yes,
this reminds me of Jeremy alright. We should all blindly believe him
because HE was there and we weren't. Sorry, Jeremy. I am no longer than
dumb.