04-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Jessicar wrote:Yes, and I am not talking about teachers, I am talking about naguals and
warriors, as known in CC terms.
Ah, I see now that you shifted the topic of the thread from teachers to naguals and warriors...
Naguals and warriors are teachers aren't they? A teacher is a conduit of knowledge. I felt it was important to show that while teachers in general encompass naguals/warriors too, they have a unique consideration that sets them apart. So I was not shifting the topic, as naguals/warriors were naturally within the topic itself. I was just careful to state that all I was discussing pertained only to nagaulism, because, again it is an exception to the rule regarding teaching.
If one wants the pursuit of seeking a
teacher to help them in tonal endeavors, even spiritual endeavors, I
know most out there charge money, so one must pay, its just how it is.
For me, money is energy. Energy is part of the tonal and the nagual and because the tonal and the nagual are the same thing anyway, paying a teacher or a nagual with an agreed upon medium of exchange is simply an agreement. If the agreement is satisfactory then it is continued, when the agreement is no longer satisfactory---for whatever reason---then it is nullified and the focus of energy moves on.
The tonal and nagaul are not the same. The nagual can only be witnessed yet its nothing. We bring the nagual view into the tonal. It changes the tonal for us each individually (our perception), but its not a given, we have to work for/intend it here for ourselves.
When
it comes to a nagual lineages, its different. The value of a lineage is
energy. Its not of the tonal. I responded here to a question of
charging money, I never said teachers should not charge money, I was
very specific about it being naguals/warriors/sorcerers of whom I spoke
of...
they fall within the topic here but are an exception to the rule
that governs teachers due to how they function as a group.
What does the last portion of this sentence mean? What rule that governs teachers?
A teacher in the tonal, such as a piano teacher, is not pursuing power as described in Toltec understanding. Warriors are seeking power, which is just another way of saying learning to see. A group of warriors bring their seeing, each as individuals, which is their power, and intent is what drew them together in the first place, so they are energetically compatible at a given point in time and what is extracted from their gathering together are the sorcery lessons to be imparted by Intent. What sets them apart from the rest of the world is they share the same syntax...silent knowledge so are able to receive the lessons according to the individual power (energy available to them) which varies for each person.
The rule of teachers such as a piano teacher is money or some other form of payment related to their profession is what governs their actions, because what they seek is tonal...money to pay rent, a position at a music school, etc. They are not seeking silent knowledge. And I'm referring in this example to piano teachers who are not warriors. If they are warriors, then piano teaching is their day job and means of support, and it could be a passion/joy for them too, yes.
So the bottom line of what I'm saying is, silent knowledge should not have a price on it. Its not of the tonal. It need to stay separate because we are enhanced by our fellow warriors energy and should not charge them since we are receiving directly from them which is their power.
This was quoted in the forum previously, and I could have just used it as a response, but I think elaborating on things can be useful at times too, hence the above.
Sorcerers have their own rules to abide by, so you don't have to get involved with the rules of non-sorcerers.
warriors, as known in CC terms.
Ah, I see now that you shifted the topic of the thread from teachers to naguals and warriors...
Naguals and warriors are teachers aren't they? A teacher is a conduit of knowledge. I felt it was important to show that while teachers in general encompass naguals/warriors too, they have a unique consideration that sets them apart. So I was not shifting the topic, as naguals/warriors were naturally within the topic itself. I was just careful to state that all I was discussing pertained only to nagaulism, because, again it is an exception to the rule regarding teaching.
If one wants the pursuit of seeking a
teacher to help them in tonal endeavors, even spiritual endeavors, I
know most out there charge money, so one must pay, its just how it is.
For me, money is energy. Energy is part of the tonal and the nagual and because the tonal and the nagual are the same thing anyway, paying a teacher or a nagual with an agreed upon medium of exchange is simply an agreement. If the agreement is satisfactory then it is continued, when the agreement is no longer satisfactory---for whatever reason---then it is nullified and the focus of energy moves on.
The tonal and nagaul are not the same. The nagual can only be witnessed yet its nothing. We bring the nagual view into the tonal. It changes the tonal for us each individually (our perception), but its not a given, we have to work for/intend it here for ourselves.
When
it comes to a nagual lineages, its different. The value of a lineage is
energy. Its not of the tonal. I responded here to a question of
charging money, I never said teachers should not charge money, I was
very specific about it being naguals/warriors/sorcerers of whom I spoke
of...
they fall within the topic here but are an exception to the rule
that governs teachers due to how they function as a group.
What does the last portion of this sentence mean? What rule that governs teachers?
A teacher in the tonal, such as a piano teacher, is not pursuing power as described in Toltec understanding. Warriors are seeking power, which is just another way of saying learning to see. A group of warriors bring their seeing, each as individuals, which is their power, and intent is what drew them together in the first place, so they are energetically compatible at a given point in time and what is extracted from their gathering together are the sorcery lessons to be imparted by Intent. What sets them apart from the rest of the world is they share the same syntax...silent knowledge so are able to receive the lessons according to the individual power (energy available to them) which varies for each person.
The rule of teachers such as a piano teacher is money or some other form of payment related to their profession is what governs their actions, because what they seek is tonal...money to pay rent, a position at a music school, etc. They are not seeking silent knowledge. And I'm referring in this example to piano teachers who are not warriors. If they are warriors, then piano teaching is their day job and means of support, and it could be a passion/joy for them too, yes.
So the bottom line of what I'm saying is, silent knowledge should not have a price on it. Its not of the tonal. It need to stay separate because we are enhanced by our fellow warriors energy and should not charge them since we are receiving directly from them which is their power.
This was quoted in the forum previously, and I could have just used it as a response, but I think elaborating on things can be useful at times too, hence the above.
Sorcerers have their own rules to abide by, so you don't have to get involved with the rules of non-sorcerers.