04-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Jessicar wrote:
Nu Lang:
The tonal and nagaul are not the same.
When I first moved to Hawaii, I moved here to study with a Nagual. In an exchange regarding the payment arrangement between us, I was adamant that a Nagual shouldn't charge. The Nagual said, "'Money is energy'", that's all it is; yet, it's an exchange that allows me to give you my time (i.e. knowledge, seeing, dreaming, etc.) It took me some sorceric maturity to understand, to really grok, that money is energy, that's all it is.
"The tonal and the nagual are the same". I didn't accept this one years ago either. I wanted the two to be different; setting them apart allowed me to grapple with them in a way that taught me their differences. The reason we (as sorcerers/seers) spend so much time "cleaning" the tonal is to clear away all of the filters that prevent us from seeing that they are the same thing. It's the solidifying of the tonal that causes it to lose it's nagual sheen in the first place. So seeing money as energy cleans it of it's "tonal" reputation. It's putting it in an "exchange rate" that we (as sorcerers/seers) can use rather than to relegate it to a realm that oftentimes suffers as second best compared to the nagual.
The nagual can only be witnessed yet its nothing.
As can also be said about the tonal.
We bring the nagual view into the tonal. It changes the tonal for us each individually (our perception), but its not a given,
we have to work for/intend it here for ourselves.
Yes, the "work" is the journey, to bring the two together so they are no longer banished from each other.
Excellent post, and excellent points re the tonal and the nagual being the same. "The work is the journey, to bring the two together so they are no longer banished from each other." Yes. Emphatically... yes.
Nu Lang:
The tonal and nagaul are not the same.
When I first moved to Hawaii, I moved here to study with a Nagual. In an exchange regarding the payment arrangement between us, I was adamant that a Nagual shouldn't charge. The Nagual said, "'Money is energy'", that's all it is; yet, it's an exchange that allows me to give you my time (i.e. knowledge, seeing, dreaming, etc.) It took me some sorceric maturity to understand, to really grok, that money is energy, that's all it is.
"The tonal and the nagual are the same". I didn't accept this one years ago either. I wanted the two to be different; setting them apart allowed me to grapple with them in a way that taught me their differences. The reason we (as sorcerers/seers) spend so much time "cleaning" the tonal is to clear away all of the filters that prevent us from seeing that they are the same thing. It's the solidifying of the tonal that causes it to lose it's nagual sheen in the first place. So seeing money as energy cleans it of it's "tonal" reputation. It's putting it in an "exchange rate" that we (as sorcerers/seers) can use rather than to relegate it to a realm that oftentimes suffers as second best compared to the nagual.
The nagual can only be witnessed yet its nothing.
As can also be said about the tonal.
We bring the nagual view into the tonal. It changes the tonal for us each individually (our perception), but its not a given,
we have to work for/intend it here for ourselves.
Yes, the "work" is the journey, to bring the two together so they are no longer banished from each other.
Excellent post, and excellent points re the tonal and the nagual being the same. "The work is the journey, to bring the two together so they are no longer banished from each other." Yes. Emphatically... yes.