04-10-2011, 12:00 AM
alien wrote:Nu Lang wrote:
Alien, the reason is that the business of a nagual is energy, transformation, expansion of awareness...its the same for a warrior. When a nagual helps a warrior, this expands also the nagual's awareness because the warrior helped the nagual....warriors teach too. Their endeavors together are not to further their tonal arrangements, so the unit of currency between them in not money, its awareness, the power that beckoned them both to be together for the exchange.
If you are talking about piano teachers and such, see that my post here originally was not about teachers in general. For them, money is and will always be the exchange and if not money, some other form of material value...in some cases time, but its always going to be related to the here and now, not the unknown, only warriors recognize and value the unknown, and I supposed we could include in this some other spiritual lineages who see that energy governs the universe. But I say with warriors they know this for certain, for its in the teachings of the Toltec lineages passed down, that everything is energy, and seeing and responding to the energy that flows in the universe is a primary act of sorcery of which warriors embark upon. They know their time here is an eye blink, so their aims are set on whats beyond.
Seems like a major double-standard. Warriors and naguals are human beings, first and foremost. What's the difference between a spiritual teacher and a piano teacher? Is there really any difference, or just self-importance that makes one think so? If you want someone's knowledge, what makes you think it is "owed" to you? Isn't that the definition of SI? If everything is energy, why is the energy of a nagual less than the energy of a piano teacher? If we are going to operate under the notion that all things are equal, then all things are equal, no? I'd really like to get to the bottom of this idea wherein folks seem to think they are entitled. "Knowledge should be free!" That's the old war cry, and MAYBE I agree with it in principle. Sure, knowledge should be free. But wha about someone else's time and energy? Does anyone really OWE that to you?
I think that a nagual should not perceive they have something to offer (and charge for). In truth warriors and nagauls are equal. The nagual is a conduit, but in order to be a conduit, one needs a recipient, without the recipient, there is no need for the nagual. So they are completely equal. Charging money is saying that the nagaul is providing something, but in truth a nagual is just as much provided as they provide. Without a warrior or nagual apprentice to impart knowledge to, they as teachers serve no purpose. Spirit provides both...the teacher and recipient. Spirit is the value and is what makes it all happen. I see it as lack of humility on a nagual's part if they charge the recipient for their time. The nagual should be as grateful just to have the time and awareness of the recipient (and how it enhances they the nagual) as the recipient is grateful to the naguals teaching.
I do realize tonal concerns are a factor, thats why I say the nagual should accept the tonal for what it is and earn their living in a way that does not interfere with the nagual. And I refer here to the lineage and teachings of Castaneda, Toltec knowledge. This is the area I feel one should not be charging for. If one wants to be a yoga instructor as their day job, or an astrologer or medium, healer...those are all things that can be charged for. But when a nagual encounters a warrior who also has power and between them is toltec knowledge, I see that as not of this world, not of the capitalist exchange system, and to bring it into such is to miss what tolec teachings are imparting. Then the link to power is either diluted or lost. Usually diluted.
Seems like a major double-standard. Warriors and naguals are human
beings, first and foremost. What's the difference between a spiritual
teacher and a piano teacher? Is there really any difference, or just
self-importance that makes one think so?
As I see it, the difference only applies to Toltec understanding and specifically forming a warrior party. Warriors and nagauls are not just human beings, they are magical beings. They are here to learn to shift their aps to assemble alternate worlds. They are not 'here' the same way other humans are here. Warriors and naguals can slip through the openings and disappear. They are sorcerers.
Alien, the reason is that the business of a nagual is energy, transformation, expansion of awareness...its the same for a warrior. When a nagual helps a warrior, this expands also the nagual's awareness because the warrior helped the nagual....warriors teach too. Their endeavors together are not to further their tonal arrangements, so the unit of currency between them in not money, its awareness, the power that beckoned them both to be together for the exchange.
If you are talking about piano teachers and such, see that my post here originally was not about teachers in general. For them, money is and will always be the exchange and if not money, some other form of material value...in some cases time, but its always going to be related to the here and now, not the unknown, only warriors recognize and value the unknown, and I supposed we could include in this some other spiritual lineages who see that energy governs the universe. But I say with warriors they know this for certain, for its in the teachings of the Toltec lineages passed down, that everything is energy, and seeing and responding to the energy that flows in the universe is a primary act of sorcery of which warriors embark upon. They know their time here is an eye blink, so their aims are set on whats beyond.
Seems like a major double-standard. Warriors and naguals are human beings, first and foremost. What's the difference between a spiritual teacher and a piano teacher? Is there really any difference, or just self-importance that makes one think so? If you want someone's knowledge, what makes you think it is "owed" to you? Isn't that the definition of SI? If everything is energy, why is the energy of a nagual less than the energy of a piano teacher? If we are going to operate under the notion that all things are equal, then all things are equal, no? I'd really like to get to the bottom of this idea wherein folks seem to think they are entitled. "Knowledge should be free!" That's the old war cry, and MAYBE I agree with it in principle. Sure, knowledge should be free. But wha about someone else's time and energy? Does anyone really OWE that to you?
I think that a nagual should not perceive they have something to offer (and charge for). In truth warriors and nagauls are equal. The nagual is a conduit, but in order to be a conduit, one needs a recipient, without the recipient, there is no need for the nagual. So they are completely equal. Charging money is saying that the nagaul is providing something, but in truth a nagual is just as much provided as they provide. Without a warrior or nagual apprentice to impart knowledge to, they as teachers serve no purpose. Spirit provides both...the teacher and recipient. Spirit is the value and is what makes it all happen. I see it as lack of humility on a nagual's part if they charge the recipient for their time. The nagual should be as grateful just to have the time and awareness of the recipient (and how it enhances they the nagual) as the recipient is grateful to the naguals teaching.
I do realize tonal concerns are a factor, thats why I say the nagual should accept the tonal for what it is and earn their living in a way that does not interfere with the nagual. And I refer here to the lineage and teachings of Castaneda, Toltec knowledge. This is the area I feel one should not be charging for. If one wants to be a yoga instructor as their day job, or an astrologer or medium, healer...those are all things that can be charged for. But when a nagual encounters a warrior who also has power and between them is toltec knowledge, I see that as not of this world, not of the capitalist exchange system, and to bring it into such is to miss what tolec teachings are imparting. Then the link to power is either diluted or lost. Usually diluted.
Seems like a major double-standard. Warriors and naguals are human
beings, first and foremost. What's the difference between a spiritual
teacher and a piano teacher? Is there really any difference, or just
self-importance that makes one think so?
As I see it, the difference only applies to Toltec understanding and specifically forming a warrior party. Warriors and nagauls are not just human beings, they are magical beings. They are here to learn to shift their aps to assemble alternate worlds. They are not 'here' the same way other humans are here. Warriors and naguals can slip through the openings and disappear. They are sorcerers.