04-11-2011, 12:00 AM
Nu Lang wrote:The nagual can never be defined. It can be witnessed but once one talks about it they are defining it, and that definition will never encompass what the nagual is. We know it directly in perception, everyone can access it directly. It is not the tonal but is witnessed through the tonal the same way death is known through life. The tonal can also be experienced without nagual perception, which is the false mind.
From post #37... was my answer to you.
A bit more...
We access the nagual by degrees. The more energy we redeploy by stalking ourselves, moving ap in dreaming, and recap, the more and more we see the nagual which is accessing silent knowledge. I've witnessed the nagual on a visual and audio level on most occasions. What I see and hear is not the nagual itself (because it cannot be measured or defined), but rather the nagual's impact upon the tonal...resulting in visions and messages that convey Intent.
The reason the nagual is nothing is because you cannot contain what it is. Some would say the nagual is then everything. While I understand that, I am pragmatic. I see that when one is primarily situated in the false mind perspective, they are far far from the nagual. Again some would say the false mind is part of the nagual if the nagual is everything. But chanting that mantra..."the nagual is everything" does not address the the problem. And the problem is that until one is completely free of the false mind's influence, the false mind will always cause a twisting of perception that will block to various degrees one's link to the nagual, so I see its best to seperate tonal and nagual, FI and seeing. This gives one the capacity to see what needs to be done (changed) clearly, to fight and act correctly to regain their link with intent, the nagual.
From post #37... was my answer to you.
A bit more...
We access the nagual by degrees. The more energy we redeploy by stalking ourselves, moving ap in dreaming, and recap, the more and more we see the nagual which is accessing silent knowledge. I've witnessed the nagual on a visual and audio level on most occasions. What I see and hear is not the nagual itself (because it cannot be measured or defined), but rather the nagual's impact upon the tonal...resulting in visions and messages that convey Intent.
The reason the nagual is nothing is because you cannot contain what it is. Some would say the nagual is then everything. While I understand that, I am pragmatic. I see that when one is primarily situated in the false mind perspective, they are far far from the nagual. Again some would say the false mind is part of the nagual if the nagual is everything. But chanting that mantra..."the nagual is everything" does not address the the problem. And the problem is that until one is completely free of the false mind's influence, the false mind will always cause a twisting of perception that will block to various degrees one's link to the nagual, so I see its best to seperate tonal and nagual, FI and seeing. This gives one the capacity to see what needs to be done (changed) clearly, to fight and act correctly to regain their link with intent, the nagual.