03-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Lex,
The rule was the eagles's gift to warriors. The rule to me comes in two parts. The first part defines the eagle and what is its requirements. The second part of the rule concerns the nagual party of warriors. The second part I have more problem with as it sets powerful restrictions and requirements on the formation of the group. I truly endorse the first part and test the second part. Why? Because I have too being that assembling the party required by the eagle can be a daunting and near impossible at least for me. It is my belief the forming of the nagual party is more of a addition of the toltec ritual system and added by men more than handed now down by the eagle to men. What is your opinion on this I would certainly like to know? LW
Personally I think most of us are interlopers. We are trying to inject ourselves into a tradition that is probably not aware of us personally. Somehow we have taken Castaneda’s works, his books, as personal invitations, into the world of Don Juan. It does not seem to matter much that CC underwent an arduous 14 year apprenticeship BEFORE DJ considered him even a warrior. But that does not seem to give us pause and after all we have read much stuff about the path with heart and the warriors way, so we think nothing of plugging right in where ever want to and considering ourselves warriors. We reject teachers and proudly proclaim how we don’t need them as we try to establish our own independence in the world of sorcery. We think that quoting Castaneda proves our prowess as warriors that we are making progress in the arts of sorcery. And since most of us are in the same boat we do not want to disagree with each other too strongly or rock that precious little boat.
When LM of PP started to publicly assemble his warriors party and even use the designations outlined by The Rule presented in Eagle’s gift, I questioned him regarding that Rule and what he thought of it. He avoiding any and all conversation on the subject. At the time I thought he did not want to be publicly committed to an outward adherence to that Rule and the “restrictions/requirements” imposed by that Rule, yet wanted to take advantage of the structure and direction of that Rule.
It is my belief the forming of the nagual party is more of a addition of the toltec ritual system and added by men more than handed now down by the eagle to men. LW
Well LW that would be a simple way of avoiding those “restrictive requirements” you mentioned.
The second part I have more problem with as it sets powerful restrictions and requirements on the formation of the group. I truly endorse the first part and test the second part. Why? Because I have too being that assembling the party required by the eagle can be a daunting and near impossible at least for me. LW
LW I am sure it was just as daunting and near impossible for DJ and those that preceded him but they did not try and take refuge in the idea that forming such a party was an additional requirement of men. You are not being clear here because you also said that forming a party was a requirement of the Eagle.
Because I have too being that assembling the party required by the eagle can be a daunting and near impossible at least for me. LW
Now I can appreciate the dilemma. If I was a nagual I know for a fact that my life is not in a position, in that it is not available, to even attempt such a thing. But I do see how it could happen. I do see what I would need to do to get the ball rolling. I do see how to establish a group in this regard. And the rest would be up to the “EAGLE”.
If one, a nagual, is able to completely put themselves at the disposition of the Eagle (hate that term eagle) and be thoroughly convinced of the Rule, (which as you said you are not yet totally convinced LW) then the requirements would not seem so stringent. In fact the Rule would indeed appear as a “gift” the very means to satisfy the Eagle in this regard. With trust in the Eagle and the means (Rule) to step forward a nagual could launch himself herself into the endeavor without regard for success or failure. If a nagual were to act impeccably in this regard then weight of success or failure rest solely with the Eagle. LW in regards to you not being entirely convinced of the Rule, I have to ask, did another nagual introduce the Rule to you or did you just read of it in Eagle’s Gift? From what we read in Power Of Silence it is quite a feat for one nagual to convince a newly recruited nagual of the efficacy of the Rule. If you have not under gone such an indoctrination then it is understandable your hesitancy regarding the Rule. I mean how would you be able to convince party members yourself of the Rule if you vacillate concerning it yourself?
Now in regard to personal power. A nagual needs to be able to “see” the energy configurations of potential party members that are being presented by the Eagle for induction. From what we have read, Castaneda tells us almost everyone does not want to join and the “trickery of the spirit” needs to be employed after the “Knock of the spirit”, which makes for some of the most entertaining stories. Sometimes years can be devoted by the group to induct one person. Personally I would imagine that the Rule would be most welcome to a nagual, an endeavor worthy of his power as a double being.
But back to the present and this rag tag bunch of would be apprentices assembling themselves in internet groups. We care not for Rules or teachers, just let someone try and correct us or tell us what to do? I imagine that if a nagual worth their salt were to step forth to such a group he/she would be greeted with....”Who the hell do you think you are?” So I am not sure at all that internet groups such as mentioned will yield anything resembling warrior parties we have read about from Castaneda. Hell Castaneda could not even get a party together.
I am sincerely interested in how you respond LW and what your thoughts on the subject are.
The rule was the eagles's gift to warriors. The rule to me comes in two parts. The first part defines the eagle and what is its requirements. The second part of the rule concerns the nagual party of warriors. The second part I have more problem with as it sets powerful restrictions and requirements on the formation of the group. I truly endorse the first part and test the second part. Why? Because I have too being that assembling the party required by the eagle can be a daunting and near impossible at least for me. It is my belief the forming of the nagual party is more of a addition of the toltec ritual system and added by men more than handed now down by the eagle to men. What is your opinion on this I would certainly like to know? LW
Personally I think most of us are interlopers. We are trying to inject ourselves into a tradition that is probably not aware of us personally. Somehow we have taken Castaneda’s works, his books, as personal invitations, into the world of Don Juan. It does not seem to matter much that CC underwent an arduous 14 year apprenticeship BEFORE DJ considered him even a warrior. But that does not seem to give us pause and after all we have read much stuff about the path with heart and the warriors way, so we think nothing of plugging right in where ever want to and considering ourselves warriors. We reject teachers and proudly proclaim how we don’t need them as we try to establish our own independence in the world of sorcery. We think that quoting Castaneda proves our prowess as warriors that we are making progress in the arts of sorcery. And since most of us are in the same boat we do not want to disagree with each other too strongly or rock that precious little boat.
When LM of PP started to publicly assemble his warriors party and even use the designations outlined by The Rule presented in Eagle’s gift, I questioned him regarding that Rule and what he thought of it. He avoiding any and all conversation on the subject. At the time I thought he did not want to be publicly committed to an outward adherence to that Rule and the “restrictions/requirements” imposed by that Rule, yet wanted to take advantage of the structure and direction of that Rule.
It is my belief the forming of the nagual party is more of a addition of the toltec ritual system and added by men more than handed now down by the eagle to men. LW
Well LW that would be a simple way of avoiding those “restrictive requirements” you mentioned.
The second part I have more problem with as it sets powerful restrictions and requirements on the formation of the group. I truly endorse the first part and test the second part. Why? Because I have too being that assembling the party required by the eagle can be a daunting and near impossible at least for me. LW
LW I am sure it was just as daunting and near impossible for DJ and those that preceded him but they did not try and take refuge in the idea that forming such a party was an additional requirement of men. You are not being clear here because you also said that forming a party was a requirement of the Eagle.
Because I have too being that assembling the party required by the eagle can be a daunting and near impossible at least for me. LW
Now I can appreciate the dilemma. If I was a nagual I know for a fact that my life is not in a position, in that it is not available, to even attempt such a thing. But I do see how it could happen. I do see what I would need to do to get the ball rolling. I do see how to establish a group in this regard. And the rest would be up to the “EAGLE”.
If one, a nagual, is able to completely put themselves at the disposition of the Eagle (hate that term eagle) and be thoroughly convinced of the Rule, (which as you said you are not yet totally convinced LW) then the requirements would not seem so stringent. In fact the Rule would indeed appear as a “gift” the very means to satisfy the Eagle in this regard. With trust in the Eagle and the means (Rule) to step forward a nagual could launch himself herself into the endeavor without regard for success or failure. If a nagual were to act impeccably in this regard then weight of success or failure rest solely with the Eagle. LW in regards to you not being entirely convinced of the Rule, I have to ask, did another nagual introduce the Rule to you or did you just read of it in Eagle’s Gift? From what we read in Power Of Silence it is quite a feat for one nagual to convince a newly recruited nagual of the efficacy of the Rule. If you have not under gone such an indoctrination then it is understandable your hesitancy regarding the Rule. I mean how would you be able to convince party members yourself of the Rule if you vacillate concerning it yourself?
Now in regard to personal power. A nagual needs to be able to “see” the energy configurations of potential party members that are being presented by the Eagle for induction. From what we have read, Castaneda tells us almost everyone does not want to join and the “trickery of the spirit” needs to be employed after the “Knock of the spirit”, which makes for some of the most entertaining stories. Sometimes years can be devoted by the group to induct one person. Personally I would imagine that the Rule would be most welcome to a nagual, an endeavor worthy of his power as a double being.
But back to the present and this rag tag bunch of would be apprentices assembling themselves in internet groups. We care not for Rules or teachers, just let someone try and correct us or tell us what to do? I imagine that if a nagual worth their salt were to step forth to such a group he/she would be greeted with....”Who the hell do you think you are?” So I am not sure at all that internet groups such as mentioned will yield anything resembling warrior parties we have read about from Castaneda. Hell Castaneda could not even get a party together.
I am sincerely interested in how you respond LW and what your thoughts on the subject are.