03-02-2011, 12:00 AM
Lex, are you saying you would like to start a new group of warriors,
that the groups established so far are not somehow 'real warriors'? Enchantra
First, I thought you were ignoring me??? Just kidding. I know I am like crack hard to put down once you get a taste. Isn't strange I am so rude and objectionable and yet, and yet lol.
I am merely trying to point out what DJ thought in these regards. I consider myself one of the interlopers to this tradition. I have not been invited by those who practice it and have been inducted just like in the stories. I also learn Buddhism but I do not go around calling myself a Buddhist just because I like what they are into and are saying. I have a great deal of respect for DJ and the tradition he has introduced the world to through Castaneda. But that hardly qualifies me to assess myself as part of this tradition. I mean look at Florinda and Taisha I have met these these people, they are very different and totally committed. They have completely left their lives behind to venture in a life outlined by DJ and those teachings. I am not in their league. They were "pressganged" and tricked into this whole thing and were just in too deep before they could really mount an effective escape. You must remember, and DJ was quite emphatic about this, there simply are no volunteers. Many would like to volunteer but the "Eagle" seems to pass us by and does not mark us for induction. I don't have a problem with this. When I see others weaseling around these kinds "requirements" and avenues of the Eagle I just have to scratch my head at the desperation to be include. Does that mean we are not allowed to learn from Castaneda and his words? No we can all learn from him. I just see the difference between the members of these parties we have read about and those who just wish to absorb as much as they can in this area.
Now I know you are trying to bait me with your initial question but that's ok. I could hardly wish to start a group of warriors according to the Rule, I do not even consider myself a part of this tradition just a minor beneficiary. But that does not mean I do not see in this regard. Second I am not a nagual and from what I have read it takes naguals and not just any old nagual but naguals that not only have 4 compartments of energy but also have received the 4 corresponding blazes of the Eagle. And everyone has to be convinced of the Rule! Now that is at the core of this tradition presented to Castaneda by DJ. No use crying that its unfair that's just the way it is.
Now if something has changed in this regard, then perhaps we could discuss it and find out why the Eagle has changed in respect to the Rule. And if that is indeed what has happened then those who are privvy to such information need to do a better job of getting it out to the rest of us while respecting the previous position of the Eagle and the Rule.
As for the question of new seers. This is not the only tradition that has new seers. They are common in all wisdom traditions. The new seers of this tradition seem to be highly specialized in how they practice.
that the groups established so far are not somehow 'real warriors'? Enchantra
Well that depends on who you are referring to as"groups established so far". But I, like DJ, differentiate between apprentices and warriors. It appears you don't. Now there is a reason I differentiate in this way. It is because I underwent and arduous "apprenticeship" (16 years) of another tradition. During this period my tonal was completely rearranged. All the familiar first attention stuff rearranged neatly in one half while the other half was swept clean. Reason was was completely untangled from all the **** it was attached to while the cleaned empty side was a highly focused will that was able to approach the nagual and recognize it as such, without all the crapping out. Now this might be news to some but these sort of things go on intentionally outside of this sorcery tradition. I could relate all of this period of my life in other terms not just sorcery terms. But whether you believe it or not I see clearly from both silent knowledge and reason and I am aware that I do so. By bubble of perception was cracked open by another method.
Part of the reason I have such insight into the teachings of DJ is because of corresponding energetic movements on my part. I am not merely learning DJ teachings, I am amazed that they reflect so many aspects of my own journey. Just the verbiage was unfamiliar for so long.
"I agree with you in that, from an everyday point of view, concepts of sorcery are completely senseless. But there is a deep dimension to our awareness, where the complaints of the mind don't penetrate, and a warrior won't rest until he finds it. Once there he discovers that his own reason, when it is exercised with inflexible rigor and in its entirety, will automatically lead to sorcery, because the essence of reason is sobriety, indifference and non-pity.
Once he is the owner of his reason and no longer manipulated by it, a sorcerer can attempt the feat of speech, putting into words the unfathomable enigma of existence. But that is such a difficult art that you can only approach it by means of a great energy surplus."
Castaneda "Encounter with the Nagual" Armando Torres.
that the groups established so far are not somehow 'real warriors'? Enchantra
First, I thought you were ignoring me??? Just kidding. I know I am like crack hard to put down once you get a taste. Isn't strange I am so rude and objectionable and yet, and yet lol.
I am merely trying to point out what DJ thought in these regards. I consider myself one of the interlopers to this tradition. I have not been invited by those who practice it and have been inducted just like in the stories. I also learn Buddhism but I do not go around calling myself a Buddhist just because I like what they are into and are saying. I have a great deal of respect for DJ and the tradition he has introduced the world to through Castaneda. But that hardly qualifies me to assess myself as part of this tradition. I mean look at Florinda and Taisha I have met these these people, they are very different and totally committed. They have completely left their lives behind to venture in a life outlined by DJ and those teachings. I am not in their league. They were "pressganged" and tricked into this whole thing and were just in too deep before they could really mount an effective escape. You must remember, and DJ was quite emphatic about this, there simply are no volunteers. Many would like to volunteer but the "Eagle" seems to pass us by and does not mark us for induction. I don't have a problem with this. When I see others weaseling around these kinds "requirements" and avenues of the Eagle I just have to scratch my head at the desperation to be include. Does that mean we are not allowed to learn from Castaneda and his words? No we can all learn from him. I just see the difference between the members of these parties we have read about and those who just wish to absorb as much as they can in this area.
Now I know you are trying to bait me with your initial question but that's ok. I could hardly wish to start a group of warriors according to the Rule, I do not even consider myself a part of this tradition just a minor beneficiary. But that does not mean I do not see in this regard. Second I am not a nagual and from what I have read it takes naguals and not just any old nagual but naguals that not only have 4 compartments of energy but also have received the 4 corresponding blazes of the Eagle. And everyone has to be convinced of the Rule! Now that is at the core of this tradition presented to Castaneda by DJ. No use crying that its unfair that's just the way it is.
Now if something has changed in this regard, then perhaps we could discuss it and find out why the Eagle has changed in respect to the Rule. And if that is indeed what has happened then those who are privvy to such information need to do a better job of getting it out to the rest of us while respecting the previous position of the Eagle and the Rule.
As for the question of new seers. This is not the only tradition that has new seers. They are common in all wisdom traditions. The new seers of this tradition seem to be highly specialized in how they practice.
that the groups established so far are not somehow 'real warriors'? Enchantra
Well that depends on who you are referring to as"groups established so far". But I, like DJ, differentiate between apprentices and warriors. It appears you don't. Now there is a reason I differentiate in this way. It is because I underwent and arduous "apprenticeship" (16 years) of another tradition. During this period my tonal was completely rearranged. All the familiar first attention stuff rearranged neatly in one half while the other half was swept clean. Reason was was completely untangled from all the **** it was attached to while the cleaned empty side was a highly focused will that was able to approach the nagual and recognize it as such, without all the crapping out. Now this might be news to some but these sort of things go on intentionally outside of this sorcery tradition. I could relate all of this period of my life in other terms not just sorcery terms. But whether you believe it or not I see clearly from both silent knowledge and reason and I am aware that I do so. By bubble of perception was cracked open by another method.
Part of the reason I have such insight into the teachings of DJ is because of corresponding energetic movements on my part. I am not merely learning DJ teachings, I am amazed that they reflect so many aspects of my own journey. Just the verbiage was unfamiliar for so long.
"I agree with you in that, from an everyday point of view, concepts of sorcery are completely senseless. But there is a deep dimension to our awareness, where the complaints of the mind don't penetrate, and a warrior won't rest until he finds it. Once there he discovers that his own reason, when it is exercised with inflexible rigor and in its entirety, will automatically lead to sorcery, because the essence of reason is sobriety, indifference and non-pity.
Once he is the owner of his reason and no longer manipulated by it, a sorcerer can attempt the feat of speech, putting into words the unfathomable enigma of existence. But that is such a difficult art that you can only approach it by means of a great energy surplus."
Castaneda "Encounter with the Nagual" Armando Torres.