02-09-2011, 12:00 AM
It should be taken with caution - there is kamma mechanism of rebirth. The being can re-appear after the death of physical body in the ghost, demon, animal realm, at the place of deprivation, of suffering, in hell. There is contradiction, but we know description from Egyptians e.g., there are two parts of the Soul, one part goes to Underworld ( the hollow memory, shade) and the second "reincarnates" in bardo ? "ka" and "ba" terms if i recall that properly.
dependent co-arising = re-appearing of being after the death of physical body
(or after 40 days in bardo "rebirth" - not of an ego - according to Tibetan traditions)
vs.
Carlos Castaneda in Encounters of Nagual by Armando Torres (Chapter Survival of Assemblage point)
"You see, when an ordinary person dreams, he is not able to focus his attention on anything;
he doesn't have anything but his fragmented memories, fed with experiences he has
accumulated in the course of his life. If that person dies, the difference is that his dream
lengthens and he doesn't wake up again. It is the dream of death.
"The journey of death can take him to a virtual world of appearances, where he will
contemplate the materialization of his beliefs, of his heavens and private hells, but nothing
else. Such visions start disappearing in time, as the impulses of memory wear out."
"And what happens to the souls of those who die?"
"The soul doesn't exist, what exists is energy. Once the physical body disappears, the only
thing left is an energy entity fed by memory.
"Some individuals are so oblivious of themselves that they die almost without realizing it.
They are like people with amnesia, people who have a blockage of the assemblage point and
can no longer align memories, they don't have any continuity; as such , they feel permanently
on the brink of oblivion. When they die, those people disintegrate almost instantaneously; the
impulse of their lives only lasts for a few years at the most.
"However, most people take a little longer disintegrating, between one hundred and two
hundred years. The ones who had lives full of meaning can resist for half a millennium. The
range expands even more for those who were able to create bonds with masses of people; they
can retain their awareness during entire millennia."
"How do they achieve that?"
"Through the attention of their followers. Memory creates bonds among live beings and those
who have left. That's how they stay aware. And that's why cults of historical personalities are
so pernicious. That was the intent of those who, in the past, were mummified: To preserve
their name in history. Ironically, it is the greatest damage that can be inflicted on energy. If
you seriously want to punish a person, bury him in a lead casket; his confusion never ends.
"It doesn't matter what he does or how he has lived; an ordinary person doesn't have the
smallest chance of continuing ahead. For sorcerers who live facing eternity, five years or five
millennia are nothing. That's why they say that death is instantaneous disintegration."
I wanted to know if dead people can return to contact the living.
He answered:
"Relationships among residents of various spheres of awareness can only be made through the
alignment of the assemblage point. Death is a final perceptive barrier. Living people can go to
the realm of the dead through dreams, but that is the kind of thing a warrior won't enter into,
because it only wears away his energy. Something very different, on the other hand, it is to
contact sorcerers who have left."
dependent co-arising = re-appearing of being after the death of physical body
(or after 40 days in bardo "rebirth" - not of an ego - according to Tibetan traditions)
vs.
Carlos Castaneda in Encounters of Nagual by Armando Torres (Chapter Survival of Assemblage point)
"You see, when an ordinary person dreams, he is not able to focus his attention on anything;
he doesn't have anything but his fragmented memories, fed with experiences he has
accumulated in the course of his life. If that person dies, the difference is that his dream
lengthens and he doesn't wake up again. It is the dream of death.
"The journey of death can take him to a virtual world of appearances, where he will
contemplate the materialization of his beliefs, of his heavens and private hells, but nothing
else. Such visions start disappearing in time, as the impulses of memory wear out."
"And what happens to the souls of those who die?"
"The soul doesn't exist, what exists is energy. Once the physical body disappears, the only
thing left is an energy entity fed by memory.
"Some individuals are so oblivious of themselves that they die almost without realizing it.
They are like people with amnesia, people who have a blockage of the assemblage point and
can no longer align memories, they don't have any continuity; as such , they feel permanently
on the brink of oblivion. When they die, those people disintegrate almost instantaneously; the
impulse of their lives only lasts for a few years at the most.
"However, most people take a little longer disintegrating, between one hundred and two
hundred years. The ones who had lives full of meaning can resist for half a millennium. The
range expands even more for those who were able to create bonds with masses of people; they
can retain their awareness during entire millennia."
"How do they achieve that?"
"Through the attention of their followers. Memory creates bonds among live beings and those
who have left. That's how they stay aware. And that's why cults of historical personalities are
so pernicious. That was the intent of those who, in the past, were mummified: To preserve
their name in history. Ironically, it is the greatest damage that can be inflicted on energy. If
you seriously want to punish a person, bury him in a lead casket; his confusion never ends.
"It doesn't matter what he does or how he has lived; an ordinary person doesn't have the
smallest chance of continuing ahead. For sorcerers who live facing eternity, five years or five
millennia are nothing. That's why they say that death is instantaneous disintegration."
I wanted to know if dead people can return to contact the living.
He answered:
"Relationships among residents of various spheres of awareness can only be made through the
alignment of the assemblage point. Death is a final perceptive barrier. Living people can go to
the realm of the dead through dreams, but that is the kind of thing a warrior won't enter into,
because it only wears away his energy. Something very different, on the other hand, it is to
contact sorcerers who have left."