07-05-2010, 12:00 AM
charlila wrote:
quote dreamways:
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It doesn't really matter who his specific party members are, because somebody like this is powerful enough to act as a nagual for anyone.
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you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!
being one's nagual, belonging in a warriors party - it's not just playing sock-puppets!
or is it?
[edited 1 time by me, for the quote doesn't get framed - tried to fix it and failed. added lines manually/ guess it is another mess-up with the definitions of my user - not at all the first in yuku, or in this board. hey, leech, i'm sick of you.]
THE NAGUALS WISH is simple.. He wishes all life to flow in a manner which is life supportive...
The nagual may be an infinitley intelligent being..And in many ways he is himself a puppet of power... in that he cannot act in a contrary fashion to the truth of power as it flows in the universe..
However the universe is evolving... and the nagual man is not just a LAWSPEAKER.. he is also a growing and evolving part of life.. and just as all mankind has the freedom to both make mistakes as well as make intelligent decisions.. So does the nagual man..
because the nagual man is able to fulfill all the stalking and dreaming positions male and female around the toltec or warrior unit... he has an incredible understnding of the interelationships within the group..
and as these interelationships are present between all people of differnt dreaming directions regardless of wether they are within a toltec unit... He also sees flows within humanity at large...
obviously on a microscopic level these patterns can also be seen mirrored within the habitual position...as representative of all human relationships in the dense physical world!
So i must agree with dreamways....
"you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!"
Essentially... all warriors and spirit workers must work to acheive the knowledge and clarity to make a jump to freedom... And no man on earth let alone a nagual man has the right to prevent an individual from studying challenege in order to gain intelligence...
There is an inner rejction to being taught that many people have... we prefer to teach ourselves..
However if the specific set of challeneges or teaching you wish to study are in some way obselete to the interrelationship of life... Then equally the nagual cannot let you struggle without the possibility of fruition...as it is deemed inefficient...
so in some instances a free-ride is offered...
Human beings thrive on intensity of awarenesss... sex, drugs, music, deppresion, psychosis, violent tendencies, paranoia, illness, heath trips,knowledge... All are if not a deliberate search for intensity... Tend to be an intensity we cannot control...
The nagual will not limit your intensity of life or feeling by giving you a free ride.In fact often the position in "tonal change" you are dropped into is so ludicrously intense you often laugh as you wish it wasnt happening! often it will take the form of parralel situations.And were it not for the fact you learn so much from the naguals definition of intensity im certain you would complain you would rather teach yourself!
However if you INTENT is to be achieve freedom..
it is your INTENT the naguals enacts through..
If your WILL is to learn something a certain way... The nagual will destroy it, if it is out of alignment with your intent!
Hows that for a free ride!
Ive always loved this piece of knowledge.. since i was eleven..
its in every plant.. and describes how we change our tonal over time...
The truth is we know we are heading toward something..death) and we know that our self image is not describing the truth of it to us...
yet somehow we are inextricable drawn through time toward our END!
Parts of us..(like auxins) move and change inresponse to something we do not control...
our physical mortal existence is steered from within..
although an energetic person can effect movements of his assemblage...
The greater procession toward our death still has very strong guiding factors..
"long term responses to our environment"
I often wonder if there are any life long portions of the physical that respond to our end-date.. That are guided by awarness rather than just inner makeup!
It is evident that there are portions of the habitual assemblage that no physical being can escape..
However there is a clause.. in that spiritually and energeticly aware people.. can "tread carefully"...
It seems apparent that it is the unknown poritons of our material assemblage that causes old age and decay..
As warriors we can become aware of portions of the general unknown we wish not to utilise...
the problem comes when everyone else still utilises them.. we are thrown into a form of contrast with the habitual assemblage..
and as such become "non-relative" to others...
also some would call this the innaccessibility of the stalker...
from a warriors unit perspective it also isolates the practitioner from the collective con-joined purpose of the group...
and even if the entire group shared the same "immortalist" ideals..
then that entire group would become isolated from the greater nagual focus... and hence lose awarnesss..
we are in many ways even if we are aware.. TRapped on our planet... untill we can find away to awaken not just ourselves.. but also re-kindle the nagual focus in all relationships between dream directions..
quote dreamways:
________________________________________________________________________________________________
It doesn't really matter who his specific party members are, because somebody like this is powerful enough to act as a nagual for anyone.
____________________________________________________________________________________________
you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!
being one's nagual, belonging in a warriors party - it's not just playing sock-puppets!
or is it?
[edited 1 time by me, for the quote doesn't get framed - tried to fix it and failed. added lines manually/ guess it is another mess-up with the definitions of my user - not at all the first in yuku, or in this board. hey, leech, i'm sick of you.]
THE NAGUALS WISH is simple.. He wishes all life to flow in a manner which is life supportive...
The nagual may be an infinitley intelligent being..And in many ways he is himself a puppet of power... in that he cannot act in a contrary fashion to the truth of power as it flows in the universe..
However the universe is evolving... and the nagual man is not just a LAWSPEAKER.. he is also a growing and evolving part of life.. and just as all mankind has the freedom to both make mistakes as well as make intelligent decisions.. So does the nagual man..
because the nagual man is able to fulfill all the stalking and dreaming positions male and female around the toltec or warrior unit... he has an incredible understnding of the interelationships within the group..
and as these interelationships are present between all people of differnt dreaming directions regardless of wether they are within a toltec unit... He also sees flows within humanity at large...
obviously on a microscopic level these patterns can also be seen mirrored within the habitual position...as representative of all human relationships in the dense physical world!
So i must agree with dreamways....
"you mean - giving a free ride to all volunteers?
wow, what a short cut!"
Essentially... all warriors and spirit workers must work to acheive the knowledge and clarity to make a jump to freedom... And no man on earth let alone a nagual man has the right to prevent an individual from studying challenege in order to gain intelligence...
There is an inner rejction to being taught that many people have... we prefer to teach ourselves..
However if the specific set of challeneges or teaching you wish to study are in some way obselete to the interrelationship of life... Then equally the nagual cannot let you struggle without the possibility of fruition...as it is deemed inefficient...
so in some instances a free-ride is offered...
Human beings thrive on intensity of awarenesss... sex, drugs, music, deppresion, psychosis, violent tendencies, paranoia, illness, heath trips,knowledge... All are if not a deliberate search for intensity... Tend to be an intensity we cannot control...
The nagual will not limit your intensity of life or feeling by giving you a free ride.In fact often the position in "tonal change" you are dropped into is so ludicrously intense you often laugh as you wish it wasnt happening! often it will take the form of parralel situations.And were it not for the fact you learn so much from the naguals definition of intensity im certain you would complain you would rather teach yourself!
However if you INTENT is to be achieve freedom..
it is your INTENT the naguals enacts through..
If your WILL is to learn something a certain way... The nagual will destroy it, if it is out of alignment with your intent!
Hows that for a free ride!
Ive always loved this piece of knowledge.. since i was eleven..
its in every plant.. and describes how we change our tonal over time...
The truth is we know we are heading toward something..death) and we know that our self image is not describing the truth of it to us...
yet somehow we are inextricable drawn through time toward our END!
Parts of us..(like auxins) move and change inresponse to something we do not control...
our physical mortal existence is steered from within..
although an energetic person can effect movements of his assemblage...
The greater procession toward our death still has very strong guiding factors..
"long term responses to our environment"
I often wonder if there are any life long portions of the physical that respond to our end-date.. That are guided by awarness rather than just inner makeup!
It is evident that there are portions of the habitual assemblage that no physical being can escape..
However there is a clause.. in that spiritually and energeticly aware people.. can "tread carefully"...
It seems apparent that it is the unknown poritons of our material assemblage that causes old age and decay..
As warriors we can become aware of portions of the general unknown we wish not to utilise...
the problem comes when everyone else still utilises them.. we are thrown into a form of contrast with the habitual assemblage..
and as such become "non-relative" to others...
also some would call this the innaccessibility of the stalker...
from a warriors unit perspective it also isolates the practitioner from the collective con-joined purpose of the group...
and even if the entire group shared the same "immortalist" ideals..
then that entire group would become isolated from the greater nagual focus... and hence lose awarnesss..
we are in many ways even if we are aware.. TRapped on our planet... untill we can find away to awaken not just ourselves.. but also re-kindle the nagual focus in all relationships between dream directions..