10-05-2010, 12:00 AM
Hawkeye Crow wrote
erhaps to be One With the Nagual is the same as Detachment in the Eastern tradition? Surely we don't imply apathy. Or indulging in humiliating other beings. The Warriors' Way being one of equality, no status seeking.
I think there is a difference but I'm not sure I can explain it. Perhaps it is that as in the description of Silvio Manuel there is a complete surrender of even his will. He apparently becomes totally directed by the nagual. In the case of detachment, or even enlightenment, it seems to me the individual is still self-directed.
As to apathy, indulging in humiliating others, etc - those seem human endeavors we all engage in, and perhaps even so if enlightened or fully given over to the nagual.
We know that as mortals, there is much that is unknown and unknowable, and that judgments must be reserved. For some, however, disengagement may be necessary. But generally, I see Controlled Folly as a manner of decision-making and action leading to perfected results. And there is more: for a sorcerer, the ability to adapt, disguise and play a role, as Julian taught don Juan, when required to become a woman. ( this is really unnerving, as I am discovering more real-life incidents of this kind, spy vs spy, undercover operations, the path with no heart!) I don't see disengagement as worthwhile. Perhaps for some, however, in both Zen as well as the teachings of don Juan, there are statements to the effect that one's enlightenment must be functional in the bustling market-place as well as in the cave solo in the mountains. I not only believe in the mud, the blood, and the beer...I revel in them.
I suppose this is a lifetime of doing, with many other facets. Hunting and stalking are interesting, as traditional human behaviors in an indigenous setting.Hunting and stalking in all endeavors...not limited to the actual pursuit of game .
I can't claim expertise, only being one who explores.Heh. Expertise comes with the exploration, doesn't it?
erhaps to be One With the Nagual is the same as Detachment in the Eastern tradition? Surely we don't imply apathy. Or indulging in humiliating other beings. The Warriors' Way being one of equality, no status seeking.I think there is a difference but I'm not sure I can explain it. Perhaps it is that as in the description of Silvio Manuel there is a complete surrender of even his will. He apparently becomes totally directed by the nagual. In the case of detachment, or even enlightenment, it seems to me the individual is still self-directed.
As to apathy, indulging in humiliating others, etc - those seem human endeavors we all engage in, and perhaps even so if enlightened or fully given over to the nagual.
We know that as mortals, there is much that is unknown and unknowable, and that judgments must be reserved. For some, however, disengagement may be necessary. But generally, I see Controlled Folly as a manner of decision-making and action leading to perfected results. And there is more: for a sorcerer, the ability to adapt, disguise and play a role, as Julian taught don Juan, when required to become a woman. ( this is really unnerving, as I am discovering more real-life incidents of this kind, spy vs spy, undercover operations, the path with no heart!) I don't see disengagement as worthwhile. Perhaps for some, however, in both Zen as well as the teachings of don Juan, there are statements to the effect that one's enlightenment must be functional in the bustling market-place as well as in the cave solo in the mountains. I not only believe in the mud, the blood, and the beer...I revel in them.
I suppose this is a lifetime of doing, with many other facets. Hunting and stalking are interesting, as traditional human behaviors in an indigenous setting.Hunting and stalking in all endeavors...not limited to the actual pursuit of game .
I can't claim expertise, only being one who explores.Heh. Expertise comes with the exploration, doesn't it?