10-02-2010, 12:01 AM
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Are YOU a Sorcerer?
Why?
In Dreaming discussions we’ve covered the topic of Freedom. I’m not going to cover that topic here, as it’s not the point. The point of the conversations covers many aspects, some of which I’ve had a difficult time understanding and accepting. One such topic mentioned was being a Sorcerer or the art of Sorcery, and how that relates to our Freedom discussions.
It seems many throw around the word Sorcery, or becoming a Sorcerer. “This is what a Sorcerer would do…” Yet, I’m unsure if most (including myself) truly understand the question, “Why use Sorcery?”
Discussions in Dreaming can be very taxing. Bringing them forth to my waking conscious can become even more taxing. Obviously I have to recall the discussions, and then put them in a linear sequence so that they make sense…while at the same time keeping in mind the overall gist of the discussion. So, for me to pluck one little section out of our discussions to post to the message board so that it makes sense to anyone else can be quite challenging.
(It all sounds good in my head, but how to explain in a post?)
Clear as mud? Ok, let’s progress…
As I’ve been pushed in Dreaming, I also push myself in waking to achieve understanding. I just knew there was something, somewhere, that would assist me in clarifying what I’m being told in Dreaming.
Yesterday, as I was scrolling through a folder on my computer, a piece of the puzzle was revealed. A small piece mind you, but a piece none-the-less.
Once again, this is a huge topic in my mind, and Sorcery is a piece of the puzzle. What I found in the computer were several old posts by a friend of mine. There’s a tremendous amount of material in these posts, but once again, I’m going to narrow it down (for now) to a section in regards to Sorcery. Or, “Why use Sorcery?” Or, even more precise, “Why use THE STRUCTURE of Sorcery?”
Here are a few of his comments, perhaps you’ve read them before, years ago.
“My feeling has long been that we’ve been looking at all this stuff from the wrong perspective. Or, rather, a perspective that only serves to build yet further structure. Don Juan specifically said that the only point of sorcery was to build an alternative world to collide with our normal world. When the two worlds collide, they negate and undermine the fixed certainty we have in either world – and the result is ‘nagual’ – no thing.
The world of sorcery that we create should have a fixed limit – but it doesn’t. Like a cancer, it grows and grows and grows. New theories add in, new ‘rules’, new New Age sources supply new ‘extensions’ to the ever growing ‘Toltec’ or new age shamanism.
But it’s just more structure. All it is, is making our world of sorcery more fixed; but that was never the point. The point was to undermine fixed world views; to actually leave, as don Juan explicitly stated countless times, controlled madness, undermined reality, fluid perception, fluid movement of assemblage point. The whole point and reason of Toltec is to generate a perception freed from fixed perspectives on every level.
So why is it that we have these HUGE ‘structures’, with fixed, authoritative rules on why they are true? How have these massive structures grown, and what do they really do for us?
Again, it’s the direction of knowledge that matters. Building a world of sorcery was a tactical maneuver to challenge our tendency to develop fixed perspectives. The world of sorcery itself isn’t the ‘real’ world view. But we’ve been hoodwinked – not maliciously, but by the logical trajectory of our own language and the very tendencies that the world of sorcery is tactically built to counter in the first place – hoodwinked in to thinking that the ‘Nagual’ or the view outside the cave/Matrix, IS the world of sorcery.
That means, in practice, that all these structures which people build – from don Miguel, and so on, all of them, all the new religious movements – are perceived ‘as’ the Nagual – or as the Nagual view. But it isn’t. The nagual view isn’t the tactical process – the Toltec, the Zen, whatever. The Nagual view is the view that we get when our structures are undermined. Instead, we’ve built huge, complex structures and worshipped them AS the nagual view. Is looking at the world differently from ‘the herd’ having a nagual view? No; it’s just having a different structure – an equally false structure.
No one has to believe it. No one has to take it on board, but boy was that a terrible blunder. It’s what leads us in to arguing about minutiae of ‘scripture’. Well, when I say we, I mean you, lol. It’s what allows ‘leaders’ to build groups and then infect the group with the leader’s structure. (Author’s note – I know nothing at all of xxxx’s group, and my comment is general, not specific to anyone.) It’s what allows cults to build hugely complex structures which people use to ‘experience’ the beliefs.
Many times I’ve talked about the belief experience. If I build you a complex structure, and believe it, then believe me, you will experience it – you will see it everywhere. And if, as part of that belief set, I instruct you to think that what you are seeing is ‘the nagual view’, then you will believe that – not only believe it, you’ll know it; you’ll experience it.
I hope by now that it’s pretty clear that this advanced stuff – no doubt about it. It’s deeper than the stuff we normally get exposed to in Toltec circles. It takes a bit of consideration to see why and how it works.
Ideas like The Matrix or Plato’s Cave have what I call ‘active’ properties. They have the power to take someone’s awareness and expand it a little in to considering other possibilities. But, in understanding that some ideas are ‘active’, is also the understanding that the ‘active-ness’ jades. What was active loses its power, because the power an idea has is simply to get you some where. Once you’re there, the only power that that idea has is to get you there, lol – or, in other words, to KEEP you there. That’s its only power.
But, because we’re not open to the new idea of mapping via negation, we ‘hoard’ our past active ideas, and ‘build’ them, one on top of the other, until they form a massive structure which we then feel is ‘true’ because each stage was so useful to us. We then feel like other people are fools for attacking that structure, because we know from experience that it ‘works’. And then we draw others in to that structure. Effectively, we create a religion and pass it on.
In reality, that s the wrong ‘direction of knowledge’ for freedom, because it builds a massive structure, rather than undermines our habitual structures.
My idea is different. For me, I don’t want a huge cancer of dead ideas dragging me down, eating my time as I argue with other people about why it’s ‘true.’ I’ve already worked out that binary division is the core ideology of the human form, and that it infects our language, perceptions and meanings like a virus, continually re-asserting itself in ever more complex replications of the viral fractal. I already know that language is ‘dirty’ – that it continually re-infects all ideas.
I don’t want that cancer of dead ideas. For me, I’ve negated true/false positions. Is there really a consensus reality? Is it really true? Is any idea true or not true? What matters is the meta-view – to step back and see that no matter how ‘active’ or ‘true’ the idea appears to be, just the fact that we think it is ‘true’ means that we’re still ‘in’ the Matrix, Neo.
So I’ve replaced the quest for truth with a different way of using knowledge. For me, the ‘structure’ is meaningless – Toltec, Islam, Christianity – all just meaningless structures. What matters is the direct effect on our perception and consciousness, caused by the very act of mapping – i.e. exploring ideas, power plants, meditations, prayers. For me, the ‘truth’ or otherwise of an idea is irrelevant – what matters is, is it ‘active’? Does it have power to cause a shift of perception or awareness?
That’s the crucial error point, right there, because if, say, ‘The Matrix’ idea causes a shift of awareness, as I’ve said, we’ve been ‘trained’ like dogs to then consider that idea as ‘true’ when really, it was only ‘active’. Then we hoard it, build upon it, and pass it on.
What makes it ‘die’ and become part of the cancer of belief is that the ‘active’ component of ideas tends to be very limited. Just like The Matrix idea was mind blowing, and now it’s completely main stream. Its ‘active’ potential was used up – but, people hoard it, instead of negating and moving past. The ‘active point’ is the point where our awareness is ‘mapping’ right now. As each idea moves our awareness, we need to negate it, dare to see why it was wrong, even if it helped us. Although that is, naturally, an extension of binary thinking, once we release ourselves from the idea that we are mapping ‘truth’, we’re free to realize that it’s actually just a creative process – an artistic relationship with ideas, the important aspect of which is the effect on our minds caused by actively mapping and negating.
It takes courage, especially at first, because we cling to our structures; even argue with others that they are ‘true’. But building structure is what we were programmed to do. We actually only need a very small what we might call ‘sorcery’ structure – just a few critical tools to allow us to derail our usual reality – whether it be consensus reality, or other. ‘Sorcery’ structure need only be small – but instead, we over load it with structure, and perceive that as ‘nagual view’.”
That’s enough for now…makes sense to me
SHM
Are YOU a Sorcerer?
Why?
In Dreaming discussions we’ve covered the topic of Freedom. I’m not going to cover that topic here, as it’s not the point. The point of the conversations covers many aspects, some of which I’ve had a difficult time understanding and accepting. One such topic mentioned was being a Sorcerer or the art of Sorcery, and how that relates to our Freedom discussions.
It seems many throw around the word Sorcery, or becoming a Sorcerer. “This is what a Sorcerer would do…” Yet, I’m unsure if most (including myself) truly understand the question, “Why use Sorcery?”
Discussions in Dreaming can be very taxing. Bringing them forth to my waking conscious can become even more taxing. Obviously I have to recall the discussions, and then put them in a linear sequence so that they make sense…while at the same time keeping in mind the overall gist of the discussion. So, for me to pluck one little section out of our discussions to post to the message board so that it makes sense to anyone else can be quite challenging.
(It all sounds good in my head, but how to explain in a post?)
Clear as mud? Ok, let’s progress…
As I’ve been pushed in Dreaming, I also push myself in waking to achieve understanding. I just knew there was something, somewhere, that would assist me in clarifying what I’m being told in Dreaming.
Yesterday, as I was scrolling through a folder on my computer, a piece of the puzzle was revealed. A small piece mind you, but a piece none-the-less.
Once again, this is a huge topic in my mind, and Sorcery is a piece of the puzzle. What I found in the computer were several old posts by a friend of mine. There’s a tremendous amount of material in these posts, but once again, I’m going to narrow it down (for now) to a section in regards to Sorcery. Or, “Why use Sorcery?” Or, even more precise, “Why use THE STRUCTURE of Sorcery?”
Here are a few of his comments, perhaps you’ve read them before, years ago.
“My feeling has long been that we’ve been looking at all this stuff from the wrong perspective. Or, rather, a perspective that only serves to build yet further structure. Don Juan specifically said that the only point of sorcery was to build an alternative world to collide with our normal world. When the two worlds collide, they negate and undermine the fixed certainty we have in either world – and the result is ‘nagual’ – no thing.
The world of sorcery that we create should have a fixed limit – but it doesn’t. Like a cancer, it grows and grows and grows. New theories add in, new ‘rules’, new New Age sources supply new ‘extensions’ to the ever growing ‘Toltec’ or new age shamanism.
But it’s just more structure. All it is, is making our world of sorcery more fixed; but that was never the point. The point was to undermine fixed world views; to actually leave, as don Juan explicitly stated countless times, controlled madness, undermined reality, fluid perception, fluid movement of assemblage point. The whole point and reason of Toltec is to generate a perception freed from fixed perspectives on every level.
So why is it that we have these HUGE ‘structures’, with fixed, authoritative rules on why they are true? How have these massive structures grown, and what do they really do for us?
Again, it’s the direction of knowledge that matters. Building a world of sorcery was a tactical maneuver to challenge our tendency to develop fixed perspectives. The world of sorcery itself isn’t the ‘real’ world view. But we’ve been hoodwinked – not maliciously, but by the logical trajectory of our own language and the very tendencies that the world of sorcery is tactically built to counter in the first place – hoodwinked in to thinking that the ‘Nagual’ or the view outside the cave/Matrix, IS the world of sorcery.
That means, in practice, that all these structures which people build – from don Miguel, and so on, all of them, all the new religious movements – are perceived ‘as’ the Nagual – or as the Nagual view. But it isn’t. The nagual view isn’t the tactical process – the Toltec, the Zen, whatever. The Nagual view is the view that we get when our structures are undermined. Instead, we’ve built huge, complex structures and worshipped them AS the nagual view. Is looking at the world differently from ‘the herd’ having a nagual view? No; it’s just having a different structure – an equally false structure.
No one has to believe it. No one has to take it on board, but boy was that a terrible blunder. It’s what leads us in to arguing about minutiae of ‘scripture’. Well, when I say we, I mean you, lol. It’s what allows ‘leaders’ to build groups and then infect the group with the leader’s structure. (Author’s note – I know nothing at all of xxxx’s group, and my comment is general, not specific to anyone.) It’s what allows cults to build hugely complex structures which people use to ‘experience’ the beliefs.
Many times I’ve talked about the belief experience. If I build you a complex structure, and believe it, then believe me, you will experience it – you will see it everywhere. And if, as part of that belief set, I instruct you to think that what you are seeing is ‘the nagual view’, then you will believe that – not only believe it, you’ll know it; you’ll experience it.
I hope by now that it’s pretty clear that this advanced stuff – no doubt about it. It’s deeper than the stuff we normally get exposed to in Toltec circles. It takes a bit of consideration to see why and how it works.
Ideas like The Matrix or Plato’s Cave have what I call ‘active’ properties. They have the power to take someone’s awareness and expand it a little in to considering other possibilities. But, in understanding that some ideas are ‘active’, is also the understanding that the ‘active-ness’ jades. What was active loses its power, because the power an idea has is simply to get you some where. Once you’re there, the only power that that idea has is to get you there, lol – or, in other words, to KEEP you there. That’s its only power.
But, because we’re not open to the new idea of mapping via negation, we ‘hoard’ our past active ideas, and ‘build’ them, one on top of the other, until they form a massive structure which we then feel is ‘true’ because each stage was so useful to us. We then feel like other people are fools for attacking that structure, because we know from experience that it ‘works’. And then we draw others in to that structure. Effectively, we create a religion and pass it on.
In reality, that s the wrong ‘direction of knowledge’ for freedom, because it builds a massive structure, rather than undermines our habitual structures.
My idea is different. For me, I don’t want a huge cancer of dead ideas dragging me down, eating my time as I argue with other people about why it’s ‘true.’ I’ve already worked out that binary division is the core ideology of the human form, and that it infects our language, perceptions and meanings like a virus, continually re-asserting itself in ever more complex replications of the viral fractal. I already know that language is ‘dirty’ – that it continually re-infects all ideas.
I don’t want that cancer of dead ideas. For me, I’ve negated true/false positions. Is there really a consensus reality? Is it really true? Is any idea true or not true? What matters is the meta-view – to step back and see that no matter how ‘active’ or ‘true’ the idea appears to be, just the fact that we think it is ‘true’ means that we’re still ‘in’ the Matrix, Neo.
So I’ve replaced the quest for truth with a different way of using knowledge. For me, the ‘structure’ is meaningless – Toltec, Islam, Christianity – all just meaningless structures. What matters is the direct effect on our perception and consciousness, caused by the very act of mapping – i.e. exploring ideas, power plants, meditations, prayers. For me, the ‘truth’ or otherwise of an idea is irrelevant – what matters is, is it ‘active’? Does it have power to cause a shift of perception or awareness?
That’s the crucial error point, right there, because if, say, ‘The Matrix’ idea causes a shift of awareness, as I’ve said, we’ve been ‘trained’ like dogs to then consider that idea as ‘true’ when really, it was only ‘active’. Then we hoard it, build upon it, and pass it on.
What makes it ‘die’ and become part of the cancer of belief is that the ‘active’ component of ideas tends to be very limited. Just like The Matrix idea was mind blowing, and now it’s completely main stream. Its ‘active’ potential was used up – but, people hoard it, instead of negating and moving past. The ‘active point’ is the point where our awareness is ‘mapping’ right now. As each idea moves our awareness, we need to negate it, dare to see why it was wrong, even if it helped us. Although that is, naturally, an extension of binary thinking, once we release ourselves from the idea that we are mapping ‘truth’, we’re free to realize that it’s actually just a creative process – an artistic relationship with ideas, the important aspect of which is the effect on our minds caused by actively mapping and negating.
It takes courage, especially at first, because we cling to our structures; even argue with others that they are ‘true’. But building structure is what we were programmed to do. We actually only need a very small what we might call ‘sorcery’ structure – just a few critical tools to allow us to derail our usual reality – whether it be consensus reality, or other. ‘Sorcery’ structure need only be small – but instead, we over load it with structure, and perceive that as ‘nagual view’.”
That’s enough for now…makes sense to me
SHM