01-07-2010, 12:00 AM
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(no! why? where are all my beautiful colors? they don't apear!)
hi Della
I'm delighted to chat with you, here on mid-minefield…
quantumshaman wrote:Hi, Charlila...
Years ago, ... I was taken on a journey
taken by whom?
quantumshaman wrote: After the experience ended, I asked him,
asked whom?
do i seem petty? i think this point is crucial.see, for example, what happend to the image of god ever after the fog wall have grown so thick; completely distorted!
quantumshaman wrote: - so to me it's important how I
view
"reincarnation."i'm glad you see the importance of the issue.
quantumshaman wrote:
when I can *see* it as a movement of the
double in the Now
relating to a map as a flat plan or as the 3
dimensional terrain it represent would yield quite different
a navigation...
moretheless, we are talking about navigation at explosion time.
quantumshaman wrote: ... it's the assimilation of a lifetime on the path.
rather the assimilation of many lifetimes on the path.
last 11,000 (or is it 24,000?)earth years [or so i claim] passed (on earth and all who dwell inside her induction field) in deep amnesia. all we can remember from that period is flat like a poster.
i am privileged - or ill=fated - to have lived once on another time scale (as butterflies, for example, are living on another time-scale than elephants - butterflies would remember 30 years ago as ancient times, while an elephant or a human would still remember some) - so i still remember some. (it's not like this life memory; hardly any visions; i recognize people, places, stories,some of those evoke memories. BUT i remember who i am, where i belong, what is my job, bits and pieces from my skills, whom i love, to whom i am faithful, what i came to do here now,a general construct of a magical language, tones of poetry and an old advise: "at least enjoy!")
DJM
said...
.... Your double is dreaming you. ... That's the mystery of us as
luminous beings. You can awaken in either one. (don Juan, TALES OF POWER)
-Amnesia makes it all the more tricky-
'acting out' of experiences which
are required by the mortal self for learning, but which the mortal
self may not be able to 'act out' due to time, space, gender, et al.
The double... is free to move both inside and
outside of
time/space/gender imho "inside" and "outside" are both point of views, both needed.
THOU - most doubles ARE signed by gender.
those whose double's gender signature is blank, like the tenant, are not human - they are alchevi (IBs, "the tunnels")
a group of them got stuck in human body on earth when the wall of fog seperated right side of awareness from left, and since originally they are not from a du-gendered specie, they can incarnate in both genders equally - which has to do with xoxonopo'sreverse of gender.
I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the edge."
thank you Della
you mean - you think the dead are still needing their "edge"?
(or you think Meitar does?)
Bad wording on my part.
i don't think so. i think you saw something.
I perceive our mortal lives as finite UNLESS we take ... steps ... to facilitate our evolution. ... the creation & nurturing of the double - ...the
energetic vessel ... to house our awareness
following our mortal death.
this is from my past=life memory - though i feel i can't say that... but i can:
in my own tribe, one of the saraf tribes assembly,creatures (humans, animals, plants and spirits - it's even not an original human tribe, though humans got the leadership) lived together as a tribe not for a life-time, but for 15 lifetimes: first 10 to master the tonal, in order to optimize surviving strategies here on earth; the next 5 to master the nagual, in order to train for THE JOURNEY TO THE SUM. [the sun is the gate to glory(=the space outside universes), while the universe is the womb where we grow; the sun' to follow the analogy, is the vagina. the journey is a birth to the next dimension field.
this is the normal course of evolution.
such an immense love induction-field!
such a happiness!
it was broken and evolution got stuck - we, all earth habitants, are all stuck here on for already 11,000 or maybe 22,000 or 24,000 years - ever since the fall of the Gate-House (=the Babylon tower) and the destruction of Taghuar (the native land of the saraf.)
earth's trauma at the two successive events - the destruction of taghuar+the falling of the touwer - caused post-traumatic effect - amnesia.
that's how come it is so easy to sell you the story that the double's map to ALL-TIME is all there is... a 2-dimensional scheme of past, present end future...
an optical illusion!
And, of course, that's further assuming g
that one doesn't
take the route of becoming a death defier or tenant.in Arabic they say Ba'eed Minac - far from you!
As I said...
degrees of complexity...
no! degree of amnesia!
...make it impossible to give a single, simple
answer.
normal evolution gives a simple, single answer - a very long, hard and beautiful path with heart, [at least]15 lifetimes long (that is, for humans - the length depends of course on the specie.)
Personally, I
perceive death as final for beings whom don Juan referred to as
"ordinary men" - meaning those who never take any measures to evolve
beyond the
organic form they inhabit.
ordinary men are those immersed deep in amnesia. or otherwise - those from young generations, who never been awake, never had the chance to raduallly wake. in a normal world, you avolve as naturally as a baby is growing.
death is like sleep - in between life-times - would you like to skip all sleep? not such a good idea...
personally i'm so very tired -like my cat Namer who was a fighter got, and at age 4 was so very old... like the Chinese master whos name i forgot who wrote, shortly before he died (a quickie translation from a translation to Hebrew):
i'm satiated.
i set the chopsticks down.
-i remember particularly one day, not long before disaster stroke, i took my dog for a walk, lied down on a terrace in the strong breeze - fell asleep - felt all i just want is to lay in the wind... forever.
i believe i could have left my body than, in peace. but i couldn't leave my kids. and i had no dismissal from my job. and now i'm obliged to stay even more, for i promised Meitar that her death will not be in vein. so i'll stay to the end.
evolution-wise, the function of death is debuggin. when the normal karma releasing devices (which are out of order now) can't do more repair, when the body - and mind - have accumulated too many bugs, death gives the soul opportunity to get refreshed, to get rid of all bugs at once, also to come back with a new body, into a new situation. (thou in a normal world you born, unless on emergency, knwoing - remembering - who are your parents, who are your brothers and sisters, as well as who is your spouse and children.)
would i like to stay forever in this old body, in this same furrow (is this DG'a term?) forever? of course not. no i want to take of to the son with my tribe at the end? you bet!
a tiny task was left before we'll be able to do this: to get rid of all the karma. to do that, the karma net has to be exploded. this is the isuue of fighting now - exploding the karma net in time.
(i'll try to find a link to my article "the hitch hiker guide to exploding the qarma nwt", if it is still on line. not now - i'm too tired.)
But for those who take death as their
advisor and look squarely at the reality of "beings who are going to
die" and then
begin to live their lives accordingly... maybe (only a maybe) there is
an alternative to this thing we call "death".
yea - these are the issues for graduating to glory.
Just my own rambling thoughts on a cool Tuesday morning here in the desert.
Thanks for listening, and thanks for your feedback.
Many blessings,
Della
pleasant dreams.
lillith
~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~
(no! why? where are all my beautiful colors? they don't apear!)
hi Della
I'm delighted to chat with you, here on mid-minefield…
quantumshaman wrote:Hi, Charlila...
Years ago, ... I was taken on a journey
taken by whom?
quantumshaman wrote: After the experience ended, I asked him,
asked whom?
do i seem petty? i think this point is crucial.see, for example, what happend to the image of god ever after the fog wall have grown so thick; completely distorted!
quantumshaman wrote: - so to me it's important how I
view
"reincarnation."i'm glad you see the importance of the issue.
quantumshaman wrote:
when I can *see* it as a movement of the
double in the Now
relating to a map as a flat plan or as the 3
dimensional terrain it represent would yield quite different
a navigation...
moretheless, we are talking about navigation at explosion time.
quantumshaman wrote: ... it's the assimilation of a lifetime on the path.
rather the assimilation of many lifetimes on the path.
last 11,000 (or is it 24,000?)earth years [or so i claim] passed (on earth and all who dwell inside her induction field) in deep amnesia. all we can remember from that period is flat like a poster.
i am privileged - or ill=fated - to have lived once on another time scale (as butterflies, for example, are living on another time-scale than elephants - butterflies would remember 30 years ago as ancient times, while an elephant or a human would still remember some) - so i still remember some. (it's not like this life memory; hardly any visions; i recognize people, places, stories,some of those evoke memories. BUT i remember who i am, where i belong, what is my job, bits and pieces from my skills, whom i love, to whom i am faithful, what i came to do here now,a general construct of a magical language, tones of poetry and an old advise: "at least enjoy!")
DJM
said...
.... Your double is dreaming you. ... That's the mystery of us as
luminous beings. You can awaken in either one. (don Juan, TALES OF POWER)
-Amnesia makes it all the more tricky-
'acting out' of experiences which
are required by the mortal self for learning, but which the mortal
self may not be able to 'act out' due to time, space, gender, et al.
The double... is free to move both inside and
outside of
time/space/gender imho "inside" and "outside" are both point of views, both needed.
THOU - most doubles ARE signed by gender.
those whose double's gender signature is blank, like the tenant, are not human - they are alchevi (IBs, "the tunnels")
a group of them got stuck in human body on earth when the wall of fog seperated right side of awareness from left, and since originally they are not from a du-gendered specie, they can incarnate in both genders equally - which has to do with xoxonopo'sreverse of gender.
I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the edge."
thank you Della
you mean - you think the dead are still needing their "edge"?
(or you think Meitar does?)
Bad wording on my part.
i don't think so. i think you saw something.
I perceive our mortal lives as finite UNLESS we take ... steps ... to facilitate our evolution. ... the creation & nurturing of the double - ...the
energetic vessel ... to house our awareness
following our mortal death.
this is from my past=life memory - though i feel i can't say that... but i can:
in my own tribe, one of the saraf tribes assembly,creatures (humans, animals, plants and spirits - it's even not an original human tribe, though humans got the leadership) lived together as a tribe not for a life-time, but for 15 lifetimes: first 10 to master the tonal, in order to optimize surviving strategies here on earth; the next 5 to master the nagual, in order to train for THE JOURNEY TO THE SUM. [the sun is the gate to glory(=the space outside universes), while the universe is the womb where we grow; the sun' to follow the analogy, is the vagina. the journey is a birth to the next dimension field.
this is the normal course of evolution.
such an immense love induction-field!
such a happiness!
it was broken and evolution got stuck - we, all earth habitants, are all stuck here on for already 11,000 or maybe 22,000 or 24,000 years - ever since the fall of the Gate-House (=the Babylon tower) and the destruction of Taghuar (the native land of the saraf.)
earth's trauma at the two successive events - the destruction of taghuar+the falling of the touwer - caused post-traumatic effect - amnesia.
that's how come it is so easy to sell you the story that the double's map to ALL-TIME is all there is... a 2-dimensional scheme of past, present end future...
an optical illusion!
And, of course, that's further assuming g
that one doesn't
take the route of becoming a death defier or tenant.in Arabic they say Ba'eed Minac - far from you!
As I said...
degrees of complexity...
no! degree of amnesia!
...make it impossible to give a single, simple
answer.
normal evolution gives a simple, single answer - a very long, hard and beautiful path with heart, [at least]15 lifetimes long (that is, for humans - the length depends of course on the specie.)
Personally, I
perceive death as final for beings whom don Juan referred to as
"ordinary men" - meaning those who never take any measures to evolve
beyond the
organic form they inhabit.
ordinary men are those immersed deep in amnesia. or otherwise - those from young generations, who never been awake, never had the chance to raduallly wake. in a normal world, you avolve as naturally as a baby is growing.
death is like sleep - in between life-times - would you like to skip all sleep? not such a good idea...
personally i'm so very tired -like my cat Namer who was a fighter got, and at age 4 was so very old... like the Chinese master whos name i forgot who wrote, shortly before he died (a quickie translation from a translation to Hebrew):
i'm satiated.
i set the chopsticks down.
-i remember particularly one day, not long before disaster stroke, i took my dog for a walk, lied down on a terrace in the strong breeze - fell asleep - felt all i just want is to lay in the wind... forever.
i believe i could have left my body than, in peace. but i couldn't leave my kids. and i had no dismissal from my job. and now i'm obliged to stay even more, for i promised Meitar that her death will not be in vein. so i'll stay to the end.
evolution-wise, the function of death is debuggin. when the normal karma releasing devices (which are out of order now) can't do more repair, when the body - and mind - have accumulated too many bugs, death gives the soul opportunity to get refreshed, to get rid of all bugs at once, also to come back with a new body, into a new situation. (thou in a normal world you born, unless on emergency, knwoing - remembering - who are your parents, who are your brothers and sisters, as well as who is your spouse and children.)
would i like to stay forever in this old body, in this same furrow (is this DG'a term?) forever? of course not. no i want to take of to the son with my tribe at the end? you bet!
a tiny task was left before we'll be able to do this: to get rid of all the karma. to do that, the karma net has to be exploded. this is the isuue of fighting now - exploding the karma net in time.
(i'll try to find a link to my article "the hitch hiker guide to exploding the qarma nwt", if it is still on line. not now - i'm too tired.)
But for those who take death as their
advisor and look squarely at the reality of "beings who are going to
die" and then
begin to live their lives accordingly... maybe (only a maybe) there is
an alternative to this thing we call "death".
yea - these are the issues for graduating to glory.
Just my own rambling thoughts on a cool Tuesday morning here in the desert.
Thanks for listening, and thanks for your feedback.
Many blessings,
Della
pleasant dreams.
lillith
~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~