01-09-2010, 12:00 AM
Hey Della
i browsed your site, red exerpts, and one thing you will have to explain to me: you were saying Orlando is your double AND in the same time your nagual man -
right?
did i get it right? no comprendo nada! would you explain?
I've written a lot on the subject over the years, but the basic gist of it
is this - although it will involve going beyond the whole Castaneda syntax and looking at the double and the double-being from a somewhat different
perspective. Instead of trying to reiterate it all here, I'm just going to C&P a post from my old forum, which is an attempt to answer the question
you've posed.
***********
January 23, 2005
WHY DO DOUBLE BEINGS EXIST?
Any warrior can create their double, though ultimately it isn't as much a matter of "choice" as it is a matter of Intent. I might choose to go
light a candle as part of a ritual, for example, but that isn't what will create the double. It is the ache/hurt/want/need in the pit of the stomach that
provides the Intent that would make me feel a need to perform some meaningless ritual in the first place. IOW, the ritual has no real power and is a choice;
but the intent behind the ritual has ultimate power in creation, and the ritual is only a tool for focus (for those who still bother with ritual at all, that
is). Over a period of time (no one can say how long), the double is brought into being by the intent of the warrior - not the intent to create the double,
but the intent to seek knowledge, the intent to create, the intent to find the answer to that gnawing ache/hurt/want/need in the pit of the stomach. In
short, the double is created through dreaming in the sense that the energy of that ache/hurt/want/need goes into manifesting the "cure" - and that
cure is the double, which may be described as the vessel of the singularity of consciousness which emerges when all is said and done and the warrior leaves
this earth.
Double beings are another matter - and yet, at the very heart and soul and source of WHY they are double beings, it may be exactly the same thing, but
something that is being seen from another point on the time-map. I have a theory that so-called naguals such as myself are the ***-ups of the sorcerer's
equation. The theory is perhaps slightly complicated, but I need to work through it on cyberpaper, so bear with me, or go smoke a joint and come back later.
If I start from point A, and take the premise - I am an ordinary warrior who has now managed to create my double. The double is now the indestructible vessel
of energy which will become the assemblage point of my Wholeness (the totality of oneself) beyond this physical life, and even during this life in some
cases. Because it appears that the universe is holographic in nature, what this means is that both the double and the immortal self are part of that
hologram. And as most of you probably know, the nature of a hologram is that as long as one has even a tiny piece, one possesses the whole. In other words,
the whole of the hologram exists within each component of itself, so even if it is fragmented, as long as one piece can be recovered, the hologram can be
reconstructed in its entirety.
Okay... so I've created my double and I'm bopping along through life, and get hit on the head by a meteor one day, and kaputz, I'm a goner. The
eagle grabs my Della-awareness, and I am absorbed back into the black velvet fabric of the Nothing - obliterated. But let's further say that because I
was an impeccable warrior (except for failing to note the meteor coming), I had given my double the agenda: "Go out into the All and bring back whatever
knowledge is required to teach me everything I need to know in order to become a singularity. Dream me as I have Dreamed you - no matter what. And do not
stop until the singularity is manifested."
In giving the double such an agenda, one is acting in the realm of sorcery to defeat the eagle, at least at a certain level. Because of the holographic
nature of the universe, once the double is created as an independent component with free will, it cannot be destroyed even if the awareness of the mortal
self is eaten by the eagle. Now - an aside - this would require an extremely cohesive double, so this would probably only happen if a warrior was extremely
advanced on the path when s/he was hit by that meteor - but for whatever reason, the component that is the mortal self "failed" in her bid to get
past the eagle in order to conjoin with the double. So, let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that the eagle stands "between" self and
double. May or may not be true, but works for the sake of this explanation.
So - here's the game plan so far. Warrior created her double, gave that double the agenda to teach her "no matter what it takes" (a matter of
intent); and then gets splattered by a meteor and eaten by the eagle. It's a shitty day, to be sure.
Okay - so the awareness of the mortal self is swallowed up by the eagle, but because the double was created already BEYOND the eagle, that energy still
exists as part of the hologram. But, it recognizes that even it is not "complete" because the component which was the mortal self (its own source)
was just eaten by the eagle. What to do? Without the awareness of the mortal self, the double knows it is not "whole" - not a singularity, but only
a component, no matter how powerful. And as such, it knows it is vulnerable to the ravages of eternity. Without both halves, the dis-integration is not only
inevitable, but has already begun.
Since the double is not limited to the confines of the linear human lifetime, and moves freely outside the box of time itself, the double can just as easily
step back inside the framework of the mortal self. I've used the analogy in the past that the double could very easily "climb inside" the
mortal self while that mortal self was still in the womb of her mother - and, indeed, this would make a lot of sense, because only then would the
double-being exist in the first place. Why do this? Because the double is fighting for his/her own survival, too. And the only way to be sure it will survive
would be to exist in such a position as to be able to exert influence over its mortal source from before the moment of birth. So, the double wriggles down
comfortably inside his mortal self who is still in the womb, and when the infant is born, it would appear to a seer as having 4 compartments of energy
instead of only two.
But - the problem is that the seer is still a being of linear time, and may think - "Oh, my, what a special child!" Er - not really. Sure, the
nagual has extra energy and all of that, but we're the ***-ups who got hit on the head with the meteor in the moebius loop of the time/space continuum,
and so the double has had to take control and "re-dream" its way into mortal existence so the whole process can be redone, this time with the
double having more influence from the start.
Quote:
"To the eye of the seer, a Nagual man or Nagual woman appears as a luminous egg with four
compartments. Unlike the average human being, who has two sides only, a left and a right, the Nagual has a left side divided into two long sections,
and a right side equally divided in two." (Carlos Castsaneda)
The reason it is seen in this manner is because the seer is seeing only the object, and not the outside-of-time retroactive enchantment
which created that object as it exists. And so - ultimately - Naguals may be just another warrior who created their double, got hit on the head with a
meteor, and had a double who was smart enough to operate outside of time so as to salvage his own pathway to the Infinite by climbing back into his
"source" so as to better guide the play the second time around.
The upside to all of this is that it does tend to give a Nagual that extra reserve of energy, and it certainly provides one with a sense of urgency and focus
and sheer determination to make it to freedom that is unparalleled. I am going to make it, no matter what - because if I don't, not only do I
"lose" Orlando, but I will have to go through Gretta Young's fourth grade class again. That alone is a powerful medicine of motivation.
***
Okay - with everything in the above post said, it's important to note that NONE of this frees even the Nagual from the repsonsibility of "creating
the double through dreaming" in the first place, in the Now. Because even though the double may come into this life with the mortal infant, with the
ability to exert powerful influence over that child from even before the moment of birth, it is still the mortal self who must exert free will and force the
double to go through the motions of actually occurring.
I've known a couple of naguals who felt they were somehow "special" just by virtue of being born a double being, and even felt that they
didn't have to create their double because s/he already existed. One even referred to it as "a waste of energy to create what already exists."
That, again, is a case of a seer seeing only the finished product and failing to take into account that something had to happen to create that reality in the
first place. IOW, the conclusions are erroneous, just as it would be an erroneous conclusion to stand in front of a city dump and proclaim, "Flies
caused all this garbage!"
So - lest anyone should think Naguals have it easier or are in any way special - please allow me to disabuse you of that notion. I haven't found it to
be any different for myself than for any of the other warriors I've known and worked with over the years. We still have to create our double and go
through the hard work of the path, so that the double will exist in the first place.
Nothing is a given. Not one thing. No one is going to do it for me.
And so it goes...
***
FWIW, there are several other articles in the same series if you are interested.
http://www.quantumshaman2.com/thesorcer ... m.php?f=81
nice site... well, a lot to choose from, together with the curved font, makes the decition what to click hard... but i'm being pathetic, your buisness
desitions proved a lot better than mine... )
a star-treck writer! wow! here you got my admiration!
Heh - thanks. I fell in love w/ Star Trek at age 11 and it shaped my early foundation to a large degree - particularly with regard to
my interest in quantum realities and quantum consciousness.
a vempires romace writer! that's how you get along so well with "tenants"?
Continuing the story, I fell in love with vampires at the ripe old age of 39 and saw the mythology as a parallel to a lot
of the CC stuff. Anne Rice even admits she was heavily influenced by Castaneda, and I think it shows in her work. FWIW, George Lucas was also heavily
influenced by Castaneda. Some say Yoda is don Juan.
Food for thought.
i browsed your site, red exerpts, and one thing you will have to explain to me: you were saying Orlando is your double AND in the same time your nagual man -
right?
did i get it right? no comprendo nada! would you explain?
I've written a lot on the subject over the years, but the basic gist of it
is this - although it will involve going beyond the whole Castaneda syntax and looking at the double and the double-being from a somewhat different
perspective. Instead of trying to reiterate it all here, I'm just going to C&P a post from my old forum, which is an attempt to answer the question
you've posed.
***********
January 23, 2005
WHY DO DOUBLE BEINGS EXIST?
Any warrior can create their double, though ultimately it isn't as much a matter of "choice" as it is a matter of Intent. I might choose to go
light a candle as part of a ritual, for example, but that isn't what will create the double. It is the ache/hurt/want/need in the pit of the stomach that
provides the Intent that would make me feel a need to perform some meaningless ritual in the first place. IOW, the ritual has no real power and is a choice;
but the intent behind the ritual has ultimate power in creation, and the ritual is only a tool for focus (for those who still bother with ritual at all, that
is). Over a period of time (no one can say how long), the double is brought into being by the intent of the warrior - not the intent to create the double,
but the intent to seek knowledge, the intent to create, the intent to find the answer to that gnawing ache/hurt/want/need in the pit of the stomach. In
short, the double is created through dreaming in the sense that the energy of that ache/hurt/want/need goes into manifesting the "cure" - and that
cure is the double, which may be described as the vessel of the singularity of consciousness which emerges when all is said and done and the warrior leaves
this earth.
Double beings are another matter - and yet, at the very heart and soul and source of WHY they are double beings, it may be exactly the same thing, but
something that is being seen from another point on the time-map. I have a theory that so-called naguals such as myself are the ***-ups of the sorcerer's
equation. The theory is perhaps slightly complicated, but I need to work through it on cyberpaper, so bear with me, or go smoke a joint and come back later.
If I start from point A, and take the premise - I am an ordinary warrior who has now managed to create my double. The double is now the indestructible vessel
of energy which will become the assemblage point of my Wholeness (the totality of oneself) beyond this physical life, and even during this life in some
cases. Because it appears that the universe is holographic in nature, what this means is that both the double and the immortal self are part of that
hologram. And as most of you probably know, the nature of a hologram is that as long as one has even a tiny piece, one possesses the whole. In other words,
the whole of the hologram exists within each component of itself, so even if it is fragmented, as long as one piece can be recovered, the hologram can be
reconstructed in its entirety.
Okay... so I've created my double and I'm bopping along through life, and get hit on the head by a meteor one day, and kaputz, I'm a goner. The
eagle grabs my Della-awareness, and I am absorbed back into the black velvet fabric of the Nothing - obliterated. But let's further say that because I
was an impeccable warrior (except for failing to note the meteor coming), I had given my double the agenda: "Go out into the All and bring back whatever
knowledge is required to teach me everything I need to know in order to become a singularity. Dream me as I have Dreamed you - no matter what. And do not
stop until the singularity is manifested."
In giving the double such an agenda, one is acting in the realm of sorcery to defeat the eagle, at least at a certain level. Because of the holographic
nature of the universe, once the double is created as an independent component with free will, it cannot be destroyed even if the awareness of the mortal
self is eaten by the eagle. Now - an aside - this would require an extremely cohesive double, so this would probably only happen if a warrior was extremely
advanced on the path when s/he was hit by that meteor - but for whatever reason, the component that is the mortal self "failed" in her bid to get
past the eagle in order to conjoin with the double. So, let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that the eagle stands "between" self and
double. May or may not be true, but works for the sake of this explanation.
So - here's the game plan so far. Warrior created her double, gave that double the agenda to teach her "no matter what it takes" (a matter of
intent); and then gets splattered by a meteor and eaten by the eagle. It's a shitty day, to be sure.
Okay - so the awareness of the mortal self is swallowed up by the eagle, but because the double was created already BEYOND the eagle, that energy still
exists as part of the hologram. But, it recognizes that even it is not "complete" because the component which was the mortal self (its own source)
was just eaten by the eagle. What to do? Without the awareness of the mortal self, the double knows it is not "whole" - not a singularity, but only
a component, no matter how powerful. And as such, it knows it is vulnerable to the ravages of eternity. Without both halves, the dis-integration is not only
inevitable, but has already begun.
Since the double is not limited to the confines of the linear human lifetime, and moves freely outside the box of time itself, the double can just as easily
step back inside the framework of the mortal self. I've used the analogy in the past that the double could very easily "climb inside" the
mortal self while that mortal self was still in the womb of her mother - and, indeed, this would make a lot of sense, because only then would the
double-being exist in the first place. Why do this? Because the double is fighting for his/her own survival, too. And the only way to be sure it will survive
would be to exist in such a position as to be able to exert influence over its mortal source from before the moment of birth. So, the double wriggles down
comfortably inside his mortal self who is still in the womb, and when the infant is born, it would appear to a seer as having 4 compartments of energy
instead of only two.
But - the problem is that the seer is still a being of linear time, and may think - "Oh, my, what a special child!" Er - not really. Sure, the
nagual has extra energy and all of that, but we're the ***-ups who got hit on the head with the meteor in the moebius loop of the time/space continuum,
and so the double has had to take control and "re-dream" its way into mortal existence so the whole process can be redone, this time with the
double having more influence from the start.
Quote:
"To the eye of the seer, a Nagual man or Nagual woman appears as a luminous egg with four
compartments. Unlike the average human being, who has two sides only, a left and a right, the Nagual has a left side divided into two long sections,
and a right side equally divided in two." (Carlos Castsaneda)
The reason it is seen in this manner is because the seer is seeing only the object, and not the outside-of-time retroactive enchantment
which created that object as it exists. And so - ultimately - Naguals may be just another warrior who created their double, got hit on the head with a
meteor, and had a double who was smart enough to operate outside of time so as to salvage his own pathway to the Infinite by climbing back into his
"source" so as to better guide the play the second time around.
The upside to all of this is that it does tend to give a Nagual that extra reserve of energy, and it certainly provides one with a sense of urgency and focus
and sheer determination to make it to freedom that is unparalleled. I am going to make it, no matter what - because if I don't, not only do I
"lose" Orlando, but I will have to go through Gretta Young's fourth grade class again. That alone is a powerful medicine of motivation.
***
Okay - with everything in the above post said, it's important to note that NONE of this frees even the Nagual from the repsonsibility of "creating
the double through dreaming" in the first place, in the Now. Because even though the double may come into this life with the mortal infant, with the
ability to exert powerful influence over that child from even before the moment of birth, it is still the mortal self who must exert free will and force the
double to go through the motions of actually occurring.
I've known a couple of naguals who felt they were somehow "special" just by virtue of being born a double being, and even felt that they
didn't have to create their double because s/he already existed. One even referred to it as "a waste of energy to create what already exists."
That, again, is a case of a seer seeing only the finished product and failing to take into account that something had to happen to create that reality in the
first place. IOW, the conclusions are erroneous, just as it would be an erroneous conclusion to stand in front of a city dump and proclaim, "Flies
caused all this garbage!"
So - lest anyone should think Naguals have it easier or are in any way special - please allow me to disabuse you of that notion. I haven't found it to
be any different for myself than for any of the other warriors I've known and worked with over the years. We still have to create our double and go
through the hard work of the path, so that the double will exist in the first place.
Nothing is a given. Not one thing. No one is going to do it for me.
And so it goes...
***
FWIW, there are several other articles in the same series if you are interested.
http://www.quantumshaman2.com/thesorcer ... m.php?f=81
nice site... well, a lot to choose from, together with the curved font, makes the decition what to click hard... but i'm being pathetic, your buisness
desitions proved a lot better than mine... )
a star-treck writer! wow! here you got my admiration!
Heh - thanks. I fell in love w/ Star Trek at age 11 and it shaped my early foundation to a large degree - particularly with regard to
my interest in quantum realities and quantum consciousness.
a vempires romace writer! that's how you get along so well with "tenants"?
Continuing the story, I fell in love with vampires at the ripe old age of 39 and saw the mythology as a parallel to a lot
of the CC stuff. Anne Rice even admits she was heavily influenced by Castaneda, and I think it shows in her work. FWIW, George Lucas was also heavily
influenced by Castaneda. Some say Yoda is don Juan.
Food for thought.