12-28-2007, 12:00 AM
Hi seeitall,
I don't mean to place too fine a point on it, and I don't mean to pick on you, but you have some things mixed up.
"Internal dialog fixes the AP in it's habitual position."
I agree with that.
"..when dialog is stopped, AP can freely move,.."
Yes, it can, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will. But let's just say I agree with that also.
"..it may move to the place of perceiveing energy directly (=?stoping the world)..."
"That is where I dissagree. Stopping the world is stopping your usual flow of description of the world. It can be a very chaotic experience. Perceiving energy directly is "seeing." By it's very nature, you must stop the world in order to see. But there are plenty of inmates in institutions for the mentally insane who have stopped the world but who have never and will never "see." Not in the way Don Juan meant. The eggs of luminous fibers and the lines of the earth, etc.
"... when we fall asleep, the dialog is stopped naturally."
No, the AP might move but the internal dialog does not stop.
In fact, any dialog you have while dreaming IS internal dialog. Unless, of course you talk in your sleep, then it is also external dialog.
Like I said, I'm not trying to pick on you and I think you know these things but are just being a little sloppy with the terminology.
I wouldn't normally say anything, but there are some new people trying to understand some of these terms and they might get confused.
Please excuse my tightassedness.Bob
I don't mean to place too fine a point on it, and I don't mean to pick on you, but you have some things mixed up.
"Internal dialog fixes the AP in it's habitual position."
I agree with that.
"..when dialog is stopped, AP can freely move,.."
Yes, it can, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will. But let's just say I agree with that also.
"..it may move to the place of perceiveing energy directly (=?stoping the world)..."
"That is where I dissagree. Stopping the world is stopping your usual flow of description of the world. It can be a very chaotic experience. Perceiving energy directly is "seeing." By it's very nature, you must stop the world in order to see. But there are plenty of inmates in institutions for the mentally insane who have stopped the world but who have never and will never "see." Not in the way Don Juan meant. The eggs of luminous fibers and the lines of the earth, etc.
"... when we fall asleep, the dialog is stopped naturally."
No, the AP might move but the internal dialog does not stop.
In fact, any dialog you have while dreaming IS internal dialog. Unless, of course you talk in your sleep, then it is also external dialog.
Like I said, I'm not trying to pick on you and I think you know these things but are just being a little sloppy with the terminology.
I wouldn't normally say anything, but there are some new people trying to understand some of these terms and they might get confused.
Please excuse my tightassedness.Bob