12-28-2007, 12:00 AM
"What I meant was that in order to fall asleep the internal dialog
pauses for a moment to allow the AP movement. then the dialog is usually
restarted again."
Yeah, you may have something there. I have had some amazing experiences on that "cusp" between awake and asleep. I never quite related it to the stopping of the dialog, but you may be correct.
"From what you wrote I would say that every substantial AP movement is
stopping the world. when I take LSD or DMT
and have totally chaotic experience, is it stopping the world ?"
Yes, I think it is, but with some important differences.
A person on drugs knows that they are coming back as soon as the drugs leave their system. When my world stopped, though helped along by mushrooms, I heard a snapping sound at the nape of my neck and at that moment knew that I would not be "coming down" the next day or in days or weeks. It took months and all of the discipline I had to endure it.
The other difference is that you can always "write it off" to the drugs. when you have taken them. In other words call it halucinations., ie. not real.
A person on a mission to find another world and finds it, finds something beyond their imagination. Beyond their ability to imagine. They know it is real.
"I think the inmates in institutions for the mentally insane never
stopped the world or skimming/interpreting of the eagle's emanations,
they just happen to do (interpret) it out of the society norm."
I don't know what they are experiencing or seeing. But many of them they have stopped the world and are caught in the same place that Don Juan knew Carlos would experience upon stopping the world. They may never stumble across the exact AP that allows a person to see luminus eggs. I have only seen this a few times. And the Great emanations a few times. But they are (some of them not all of them) certainly witnessing the existence of inorganic beings. Real entities that the doctors and nurses around them have no clue exist. That is not just an interpretation, it is real.
Again, it is a gigantic step, but only a glimse of what lies beyond. It is only a peek at what lies just behind this plane we inhabit. It is not really going anywhere. It is just seeing the reality behing THIS PLANE.
There are many planes and worlds.
Once your world is stopped, if you survive, what will you attune to? Is your purpose to see the lines of the earth? You probably will if that is what your looking for. Is it to become one with God? That can be attained on many levels.
God exists on all levels. The levels ARE aspects of God.
I have worn the Coat of many colors. I have come to the conclusion over the years that that experience is synonymous with other things described in the Bible and out of it. It is also one of the clusters of great emanations that Don Juan spoke of. Read his description. He says it is the love of God. It is also Jacob's ladder upon which angels ascended and descended. It is also The baptism of Fire that came on the disciples at Pentacost and that John the Baptist foretold Jesus would bring.
A column of light fibers and multi colored tounges of flame that stretched upward to infinity and down through me and the earth. And down the middle the many shades of pink just as Don Juan described it. Just as the colors of the Tree of life. Pink as the color of Tipareth the Sephirah of Christ consciousness on the middle pillar of the Tree of Life.
It is also the Lightning Struck Tower of the Tarot deck. Look at the picture. The column of lightning from above knocking the king from his high place. That is our description of the world being displaced. The separate flames of fire or "cloven tongues", as it says came upon the disciples at Pentecost, dancing in the air around the falling king and his tower.
We are more than what we think we are. We have access to things we cannot begin to imagine.
Do we have to stop the world in order to experience some of these things? It would have stopped right there during that experience if it had not years before. And in fact, my description of world view was changed and expanded once again because of that experience.
All of the powers of the Tree of Life came down that day and held me fast. Wrapped around me like a coat.
Stopping the world may not have to be a negative frightening experience, I really don't know. It was for me, but that was the path I had chosen at the beginning of my spiritual journey. Bob
pauses for a moment to allow the AP movement. then the dialog is usually
restarted again."
Yeah, you may have something there. I have had some amazing experiences on that "cusp" between awake and asleep. I never quite related it to the stopping of the dialog, but you may be correct.
"From what you wrote I would say that every substantial AP movement is
stopping the world. when I take LSD or DMT
and have totally chaotic experience, is it stopping the world ?"
Yes, I think it is, but with some important differences.
A person on drugs knows that they are coming back as soon as the drugs leave their system. When my world stopped, though helped along by mushrooms, I heard a snapping sound at the nape of my neck and at that moment knew that I would not be "coming down" the next day or in days or weeks. It took months and all of the discipline I had to endure it.
The other difference is that you can always "write it off" to the drugs. when you have taken them. In other words call it halucinations., ie. not real.
A person on a mission to find another world and finds it, finds something beyond their imagination. Beyond their ability to imagine. They know it is real.
"I think the inmates in institutions for the mentally insane never
stopped the world or skimming/interpreting of the eagle's emanations,
they just happen to do (interpret) it out of the society norm."
I don't know what they are experiencing or seeing. But many of them they have stopped the world and are caught in the same place that Don Juan knew Carlos would experience upon stopping the world. They may never stumble across the exact AP that allows a person to see luminus eggs. I have only seen this a few times. And the Great emanations a few times. But they are (some of them not all of them) certainly witnessing the existence of inorganic beings. Real entities that the doctors and nurses around them have no clue exist. That is not just an interpretation, it is real.
Again, it is a gigantic step, but only a glimse of what lies beyond. It is only a peek at what lies just behind this plane we inhabit. It is not really going anywhere. It is just seeing the reality behing THIS PLANE.
There are many planes and worlds.
Once your world is stopped, if you survive, what will you attune to? Is your purpose to see the lines of the earth? You probably will if that is what your looking for. Is it to become one with God? That can be attained on many levels.
God exists on all levels. The levels ARE aspects of God.
I have worn the Coat of many colors. I have come to the conclusion over the years that that experience is synonymous with other things described in the Bible and out of it. It is also one of the clusters of great emanations that Don Juan spoke of. Read his description. He says it is the love of God. It is also Jacob's ladder upon which angels ascended and descended. It is also The baptism of Fire that came on the disciples at Pentacost and that John the Baptist foretold Jesus would bring.
A column of light fibers and multi colored tounges of flame that stretched upward to infinity and down through me and the earth. And down the middle the many shades of pink just as Don Juan described it. Just as the colors of the Tree of life. Pink as the color of Tipareth the Sephirah of Christ consciousness on the middle pillar of the Tree of Life.
It is also the Lightning Struck Tower of the Tarot deck. Look at the picture. The column of lightning from above knocking the king from his high place. That is our description of the world being displaced. The separate flames of fire or "cloven tongues", as it says came upon the disciples at Pentecost, dancing in the air around the falling king and his tower.
We are more than what we think we are. We have access to things we cannot begin to imagine.
Do we have to stop the world in order to experience some of these things? It would have stopped right there during that experience if it had not years before. And in fact, my description of world view was changed and expanded once again because of that experience.
All of the powers of the Tree of Life came down that day and held me fast. Wrapped around me like a coat.
Stopping the world may not have to be a negative frightening experience, I really don't know. It was for me, but that was the path I had chosen at the beginning of my spiritual journey. Bob