01-04-2008, 12:00 AM
"One of the attractions of Castaneda, for me, was that hierarchies, at least among beings, does not exist. You , me , a beetle, a rock; all are equal.
The other side of this is that among us human beings, there are leaders, not self appointed, bought, or inherited; IE; the Nagual."
If you read the "Book of Enoch" you will find the idea of fallen angels bringing to earth much of the higher knowledge that men have today. Also the idea of the hierarchy of angelic and demonic realms.
Some think that that way of thinking was not meant to be. But you can see it in churches, business and even society/social interactions in schools and in the adult circles, also.
It is a mentality that divides people and was, in my opinion never meant to be indulged in by mankind.
It is a kind of "pissing contest" on a cosmic scale.
In one church I attended the pastor was young man and let it be known that it was always his life's desire to speak in front of people. That does not impress me at all. He got what he wanted, but what about the people in the congregation? I think some of the best teachers are reluctant teachers. What do they know and are they able to convey what they know to others? Those are more important questions.
"I am scanning this rather quickly, but I did see the remarks about Stopping the World.
The people who first dosed me with LSD had a common phrase: There is no coming down. The idea being that such a conciousness experience is permanent. All experience is permanent, unless one tries to hide from it.
There are other issues of experience that I might ask (like War) but I really don't want to obscure this thread.
Am I on your line here?"
In one sense, I agree that all experience is permanent in that once you go through something you can never go back.
But the example I gave about not coming down for from several weeks to two to three months was not in that vein. I mean I literally did not come down for that long a period of time. From that you not only can never go back, but you can bring it back into reality with comparatively very little effort. It took 1 1/2 years of concentrated effort doing the exercises layed out in Journey to Ixtlan to stop the world. It takes maybe a month of the same effort to bring the experience to the forefront again. And only a day or two of effort to bring it back partially.
"DJ said the dreams we remember are the real ones, and lately, mine are becoming more definite and informative."
I have noticed that as I grow older I am more rational in my dreams. The dream subject matter may be strange, but I approach problems/challenges within the dream much more rationally than when I was younger. There usually seems to be some kind of goal or purpose to what I am doing within the dream and I do not get side-tracked like I would have when younger. My dreams tend to be less chaotic and more like waking life as a result.
"And, I keep citing Edgar Cayce, because he was a Sleeping Seer, and recognizing the Seers' ability, which has comeupon me occasionally, seems to be the Teaching of don Juan."
I saw a show on Cayce a few weeks back. My teacher was very impressed with him, but I had never looked into his story. On the show they said he had done so many readings, (something like 10,000 or something) that it was like doing a reading a night for 45 years or some such number.
He was apparently very accurate too.
I think we grow in that which we pay attention to. What we aim our minds at. As long as you pay more attention to your dreaming you will grow in that ability. If you consider your dreams just nonsense or subconscious symbols, that is all you will get out of them.
The name Joseph in the Bible has to do with dreams. Joseph in the Old Testament was a dreamer and an interpreter of dreams and became the second in command of Egypt because he not only interpreted the Pharaoh's dreams, but told him what the dreams were before he began interpreted them. Joseph in the New Testament was visitaed by an angel in a dream at least twice. First warned of danger he went to egypt and then, years later, told it was safe, he came back home.
Bob
The other side of this is that among us human beings, there are leaders, not self appointed, bought, or inherited; IE; the Nagual."
If you read the "Book of Enoch" you will find the idea of fallen angels bringing to earth much of the higher knowledge that men have today. Also the idea of the hierarchy of angelic and demonic realms.
Some think that that way of thinking was not meant to be. But you can see it in churches, business and even society/social interactions in schools and in the adult circles, also.
It is a mentality that divides people and was, in my opinion never meant to be indulged in by mankind.
It is a kind of "pissing contest" on a cosmic scale.
In one church I attended the pastor was young man and let it be known that it was always his life's desire to speak in front of people. That does not impress me at all. He got what he wanted, but what about the people in the congregation? I think some of the best teachers are reluctant teachers. What do they know and are they able to convey what they know to others? Those are more important questions.
"I am scanning this rather quickly, but I did see the remarks about Stopping the World.
The people who first dosed me with LSD had a common phrase: There is no coming down. The idea being that such a conciousness experience is permanent. All experience is permanent, unless one tries to hide from it.
There are other issues of experience that I might ask (like War) but I really don't want to obscure this thread.
Am I on your line here?"
In one sense, I agree that all experience is permanent in that once you go through something you can never go back.
But the example I gave about not coming down for from several weeks to two to three months was not in that vein. I mean I literally did not come down for that long a period of time. From that you not only can never go back, but you can bring it back into reality with comparatively very little effort. It took 1 1/2 years of concentrated effort doing the exercises layed out in Journey to Ixtlan to stop the world. It takes maybe a month of the same effort to bring the experience to the forefront again. And only a day or two of effort to bring it back partially.
"DJ said the dreams we remember are the real ones, and lately, mine are becoming more definite and informative."
I have noticed that as I grow older I am more rational in my dreams. The dream subject matter may be strange, but I approach problems/challenges within the dream much more rationally than when I was younger. There usually seems to be some kind of goal or purpose to what I am doing within the dream and I do not get side-tracked like I would have when younger. My dreams tend to be less chaotic and more like waking life as a result.
"And, I keep citing Edgar Cayce, because he was a Sleeping Seer, and recognizing the Seers' ability, which has comeupon me occasionally, seems to be the Teaching of don Juan."
I saw a show on Cayce a few weeks back. My teacher was very impressed with him, but I had never looked into his story. On the show they said he had done so many readings, (something like 10,000 or something) that it was like doing a reading a night for 45 years or some such number.
He was apparently very accurate too.
I think we grow in that which we pay attention to. What we aim our minds at. As long as you pay more attention to your dreaming you will grow in that ability. If you consider your dreams just nonsense or subconscious symbols, that is all you will get out of them.
The name Joseph in the Bible has to do with dreams. Joseph in the Old Testament was a dreamer and an interpreter of dreams and became the second in command of Egypt because he not only interpreted the Pharaoh's dreams, but told him what the dreams were before he began interpreted them. Joseph in the New Testament was visitaed by an angel in a dream at least twice. First warned of danger he went to egypt and then, years later, told it was safe, he came back home.
Bob