12-17-2006, 12:00 AM
""the reason why I think C.C. got it is he does not
sell you things like "ultimative end goals, enlightement, prices, ...). He says
that there is no final goal, there is only a struggle
till the end. that's what I can understand.""
The reason that Carlos tried to "sell you" on the idea of
no final goal and struggle forever, is because that is all he had to offer.
He should have been more concerned with; what does it mean to "slip past the Eagle", or to"be eaten by the Eagle?
And what, if anything, lies beyond that.
Carlos only related personal experiences in terms of Toltec knowledge that he was being taught.
It was not the same with Don Juan. To him there was a goal.
You have to read between the lines. A great deal of what Carlos wrote was second hand information,...things that he had never experienced, but was told by Don Juan.
Carlos was a student. An advanced student, perhaps, (to whatever degree or other I cannot say), but a student never-the-less.
In the study of the Qabala, we are living in the lowest of possible Worlds. Below this, there remain the "Infernal Planes." Here, it is a continuous struggle. It also is an impermanent Plane. Nothing lasts. Even the very stones around us erode away, given enough time.
Our bodies only last just so long.
To think that 80-90 years in this land of struggle and then, OBLIVION, does not compute.
You can believe what you want to, but I would suggest that you meditate upon or at least ponder the concepts mentioned above. What would it be like to be eaten by the Eagle? and What would it be like to "slip past the Eagle?
The "Sorcerer's" or "Toltec" system of knowledge still leaves those two questions unanswered.
The answer to those two questions is the reason for every Religion and/or spiritual philosophy that ever existed.
The older you get, the more real the concept of "using death as an advisor" becomes.
I will 53 years old in a few days. I grew up in an American Irish/Catholic family. My father was the youngest of 11 children. My mother also had brothers and sisters.
I was always going to funerals as a child, and it was required to go up to the coffin and look at the corpse.
That generation is gone every one along with several cousins and even a nephew who was killed at an early age.
Also my parents and any aunts and uncles who were "married into" the family. Some who were "close" to me.
My whole point is that I had a "headstart" in life concerning Don Juan's concept of "death as an advisor".
I was aware of it before I ever picked up a Castaneda book.
As a young child it is a frightening thing.
As an older man it is a truth that is with you continually, a constant companion and teacher...
At some point we must stop avoiding it, or even fearing it, and learn from it.
My humble opinion. My perspective.
Bob
sell you things like "ultimative end goals, enlightement, prices, ...). He says
that there is no final goal, there is only a struggle
till the end. that's what I can understand.""
The reason that Carlos tried to "sell you" on the idea of
no final goal and struggle forever, is because that is all he had to offer.
He should have been more concerned with; what does it mean to "slip past the Eagle", or to"be eaten by the Eagle?
And what, if anything, lies beyond that.
Carlos only related personal experiences in terms of Toltec knowledge that he was being taught.
It was not the same with Don Juan. To him there was a goal.
You have to read between the lines. A great deal of what Carlos wrote was second hand information,...things that he had never experienced, but was told by Don Juan.
Carlos was a student. An advanced student, perhaps, (to whatever degree or other I cannot say), but a student never-the-less.
In the study of the Qabala, we are living in the lowest of possible Worlds. Below this, there remain the "Infernal Planes." Here, it is a continuous struggle. It also is an impermanent Plane. Nothing lasts. Even the very stones around us erode away, given enough time.
Our bodies only last just so long.
To think that 80-90 years in this land of struggle and then, OBLIVION, does not compute.
You can believe what you want to, but I would suggest that you meditate upon or at least ponder the concepts mentioned above. What would it be like to be eaten by the Eagle? and What would it be like to "slip past the Eagle?
The "Sorcerer's" or "Toltec" system of knowledge still leaves those two questions unanswered.
The answer to those two questions is the reason for every Religion and/or spiritual philosophy that ever existed.
The older you get, the more real the concept of "using death as an advisor" becomes.
I will 53 years old in a few days. I grew up in an American Irish/Catholic family. My father was the youngest of 11 children. My mother also had brothers and sisters.
I was always going to funerals as a child, and it was required to go up to the coffin and look at the corpse.
That generation is gone every one along with several cousins and even a nephew who was killed at an early age.
Also my parents and any aunts and uncles who were "married into" the family. Some who were "close" to me.
My whole point is that I had a "headstart" in life concerning Don Juan's concept of "death as an advisor".
I was aware of it before I ever picked up a Castaneda book.
As a young child it is a frightening thing.
As an older man it is a truth that is with you continually, a constant companion and teacher...
At some point we must stop avoiding it, or even fearing it, and learn from it.
My humble opinion. My perspective.
Bob