02-25-2011, 12:00 AM
I have extracted this from another thread to start as a new topic. Lex
you burned from within, i find this hard to believe, then why are you still here??? Epicwynn
So
you believe that when someone burns from within they automatically and
physically leave the planet and disappear into other realms of
existence. This is precisely the sort of thinking I have rallied against
for years now. The physical disappearance option is a possibility but
the lesser of the possibilities available! Your attachment to this
particular interpretation of burning from within will probably keep the
option well out of reach for you. Would it surprise you that this is not
what DJ was advocating. I cannot answer for why LW is still here after
he says he burned from within but I can point out DJ's view on the
matter if that helps.
He
said, that the old seers, being masters of awareness, applied the
expertise to their own glows of awareness and made them expand to
inconceivable limits. They actually aimed at lighting up all the
emanations inside their cocoons, one band at a time. They succeeded, but
oddly enough the accomplishment of lighting up one band at a time was
instrumental in their becoming imprisoned in the quagmire of the second
attention.
"The new seers corrected that error," he continued, "and let the
mastery of awareness develop to its natural end, which is to extend the
glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon in one single
stroke.
"The third Attention is attained when the glow of awareness turns into
the fire from within; a glow that kindles not one band at a time but all
the Eagle's emanations inside man's cocoon."
Don Juan expressed his awe for the new seers' deliberate effort to
attain third attention while they are alive and conscious of their
individuality.
He did not consider it worthwhile to discuss the random cases of men
and other sentient beings who enter into the unknown and the unknowable
without being aware of it; he referred to this as the Eagle's gift. He
asserted that for the new seers to enter into the third attention is
also a gift, but has a different meaning. It is more like a reward for
attainment.
He added that at the moment of dying all human beings enter into the
unknowable and some of them do attain the third attention, but
altogether too briefly and only to purify the food for the Eagle.
"The
supreme accomplishment of human being," he said, "is to attain that
level of attention while retaining the life force, without becoming
disembodied awareness moving like a flicker of light up to the Eagle's
beak to be devoured." FFW
Epicwynn, did you catch that?.................without becoming disembodied awareness!
There
are other references to this if you know where and how to look. For you
to think that when this is accomplished you physically disappear from
the planet is understandable, especially after some of the other stuff
Carlos wrote and the preliminary conclusions he wove around his
findings. But this is the same problem that plagued DJ for years and he
he said it should be avoided at all costs!
From
then on, he (DJ) had no problem in dealing with the reality of the
third attention. The only obstacle in his way arose from his being so
thoroughly convinced that the Rule was a map that he believed he had to
look for a literal opening in the world, a passageway. Somehow he had
become needlessly stuck at the first level of a warrior's development.
Don Juan's own work as a leader and a teacher, as a result, was directed at helping the apprentices, and especialy me, to AVOID REPEATING THAT MISTAKE!
Don
Juan said that he spent irreplaceable time pondering the existence of
an actual passageway into that other world. He view such concerns as a
pitfall to be avoided at all cost. Eagle's Gift.
So you
can see you are in good company at this first level of a warriors
development. DJ himself spent years there. Reducing third attention
realizations to the limits of physically leaving this world and viewing
third attention through such a limited lens will just open the door wide
to the intricacies of 2nd attention and you will miss how the third
attention is available to you right now and you will keep putting it way
out of reach for yourself now!
you burned from within, i find this hard to believe, then why are you still here??? Epicwynn
So
you believe that when someone burns from within they automatically and
physically leave the planet and disappear into other realms of
existence. This is precisely the sort of thinking I have rallied against
for years now. The physical disappearance option is a possibility but
the lesser of the possibilities available! Your attachment to this
particular interpretation of burning from within will probably keep the
option well out of reach for you. Would it surprise you that this is not
what DJ was advocating. I cannot answer for why LW is still here after
he says he burned from within but I can point out DJ's view on the
matter if that helps.
He
said, that the old seers, being masters of awareness, applied the
expertise to their own glows of awareness and made them expand to
inconceivable limits. They actually aimed at lighting up all the
emanations inside their cocoons, one band at a time. They succeeded, but
oddly enough the accomplishment of lighting up one band at a time was
instrumental in their becoming imprisoned in the quagmire of the second
attention.
"The new seers corrected that error," he continued, "and let the
mastery of awareness develop to its natural end, which is to extend the
glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon in one single
stroke.
"The third Attention is attained when the glow of awareness turns into
the fire from within; a glow that kindles not one band at a time but all
the Eagle's emanations inside man's cocoon."
Don Juan expressed his awe for the new seers' deliberate effort to
attain third attention while they are alive and conscious of their
individuality.
He did not consider it worthwhile to discuss the random cases of men
and other sentient beings who enter into the unknown and the unknowable
without being aware of it; he referred to this as the Eagle's gift. He
asserted that for the new seers to enter into the third attention is
also a gift, but has a different meaning. It is more like a reward for
attainment.
He added that at the moment of dying all human beings enter into the
unknowable and some of them do attain the third attention, but
altogether too briefly and only to purify the food for the Eagle.
"The
supreme accomplishment of human being," he said, "is to attain that
level of attention while retaining the life force, without becoming
disembodied awareness moving like a flicker of light up to the Eagle's
beak to be devoured." FFW
Epicwynn, did you catch that?.................without becoming disembodied awareness!
There
are other references to this if you know where and how to look. For you
to think that when this is accomplished you physically disappear from
the planet is understandable, especially after some of the other stuff
Carlos wrote and the preliminary conclusions he wove around his
findings. But this is the same problem that plagued DJ for years and he
he said it should be avoided at all costs!
From
then on, he (DJ) had no problem in dealing with the reality of the
third attention. The only obstacle in his way arose from his being so
thoroughly convinced that the Rule was a map that he believed he had to
look for a literal opening in the world, a passageway. Somehow he had
become needlessly stuck at the first level of a warrior's development.
Don Juan's own work as a leader and a teacher, as a result, was directed at helping the apprentices, and especialy me, to AVOID REPEATING THAT MISTAKE!
Don
Juan said that he spent irreplaceable time pondering the existence of
an actual passageway into that other world. He view such concerns as a
pitfall to be avoided at all cost. Eagle's Gift.
So you
can see you are in good company at this first level of a warriors
development. DJ himself spent years there. Reducing third attention
realizations to the limits of physically leaving this world and viewing
third attention through such a limited lens will just open the door wide
to the intricacies of 2nd attention and you will miss how the third
attention is available to you right now and you will keep putting it way
out of reach for yourself now!