03-03-2011, 12:00 AM
If we are to use don Juan's terminologies and ideas then we should use
his definitions for those terms, for the sake of clarity, and not make
up our own...Epiqwynn
Well yes you have a point. But when I also point out to you from those same writings by CC, that also point to a different understanding concerning this, using DJ's words and terms, then you, you don't necessarily agree with that, because you were not aware that DJ also spoke in this manner. So it appears that you are just picking and choosing which version you wish to believe, no matter what the authority source is. Now that is ok for you just understand that is what you are doing.
I have had experiences that correspond to the meaning given by DJ, the one you discard. So in respect to the version of burning from within that you exclusively subscribe to, I have not had that accomplishment. I am still here as is LW.
So Epiqwynn why do you think DJ would talk about this "seemingly other" version of this event?
Ah but you see that is part of the problem. We view 3rd Attention as an event marked by burning from within and physically leaving the planet, that is the entry point for you, that "cosmic vagina".
But the 3rd attention is not an event anymore than 2nd or 1st attention. It is present now.
His benefactor had also told him that this kind of awareness is meaningless to our compartmentalized minds. THEREFORE the crux of a warrior's (not apprentice) was not so much to realize that the crossing over stated in the Rule meant crossing to the third attention, BUT RATHER to convince that there exists such an awareness at all. Eagle's Gift
But to offer something more in line with what you think....(but then isn't)
In that spectacular end of her book sorcerer's crossing what do you think the "sorcerer's crossing" was. I mean TA was around on this planet long after she made that crossing. Just another example at odds with what you believe about the sorcerer's world.
So we have to sort through what appears on the surface as incongruities at some point we have to start thinking for ourselves. The words and tales of others can only take us so far.
his definitions for those terms, for the sake of clarity, and not make
up our own...Epiqwynn
Well yes you have a point. But when I also point out to you from those same writings by CC, that also point to a different understanding concerning this, using DJ's words and terms, then you, you don't necessarily agree with that, because you were not aware that DJ also spoke in this manner. So it appears that you are just picking and choosing which version you wish to believe, no matter what the authority source is. Now that is ok for you just understand that is what you are doing.
I have had experiences that correspond to the meaning given by DJ, the one you discard. So in respect to the version of burning from within that you exclusively subscribe to, I have not had that accomplishment. I am still here as is LW.
So Epiqwynn why do you think DJ would talk about this "seemingly other" version of this event?
Ah but you see that is part of the problem. We view 3rd Attention as an event marked by burning from within and physically leaving the planet, that is the entry point for you, that "cosmic vagina".
But the 3rd attention is not an event anymore than 2nd or 1st attention. It is present now.
His benefactor had also told him that this kind of awareness is meaningless to our compartmentalized minds. THEREFORE the crux of a warrior's (not apprentice) was not so much to realize that the crossing over stated in the Rule meant crossing to the third attention, BUT RATHER to convince that there exists such an awareness at all. Eagle's Gift
But to offer something more in line with what you think....(but then isn't)
In that spectacular end of her book sorcerer's crossing what do you think the "sorcerer's crossing" was. I mean TA was around on this planet long after she made that crossing. Just another example at odds with what you believe about the sorcerer's world.
So we have to sort through what appears on the surface as incongruities at some point we have to start thinking for ourselves. The words and tales of others can only take us so far.