04-22-2011, 12:00 AM
Hi Lex,
You brought some things to mind that I would like to comment on without getting too far off your train of thought.DJ spoke about pitting one description against another. To do this we must either recognise differences or similarities.
What you said about gazing is a big key, I think. When turning off the internal dialog, DJ said it was not just a matter of curtailing words. It was deeper than that. I had thought about that a lot over the years and observed myself and how my mind works during silence. I also saw the need to gaze as part of that whole process of silence. Many times just gazing while sitting and turning off the internal dialog. The appearance of things changes when I do (or not do) a certain thing. I have come to think of it as "Judging" or "Pre-judging". It may seem like a small thing but it seems to me to be part and parcel of reaching that silence. What seems to happen is that depth perception is turned off and everything in my view becomes "equal." Nothing matters more or less than anything else and the world becomes just a screen of blotches of colors.
I may be making little sense here but it seems like this "state of mind" brought on by gazing and not judging is at least one of the similarities that we can discern between the first and second attention.To "not do what we have always done", I think is the way Don Juan put it.This judgement is the compulsion that we build our world view with. Whatever that world view might be. This compulsion to judge is what we can discern by pitting one view against another.This judgement is also, close to what DJ said was referring to when speaking about sneaking or weaseling between the worlds. It is what they both have in common. We begin to recognise it by Gazing, Not Doing and Turning off the Internal Dialog.It may be what Jesus was referring to when he said, "Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing." “Last night you witnessed not only the indescribable nagual but also the indescribable tonal. The last piece of the sorcerer’s explanation says that reason is merely reflecting an outside order, and that reason knows nothing about that order; it cannot explain, in the same way it cannot explain the nagual. Reason can only witness the effects of the tonal, but never could it understand it, or unravel it.”“Sorcerer’s do the same thing with their will. They say that through the will they can witness the effects of the nagual. I can add now that through reason, no matter what we do with it, or how we do it, we are merely witnessing the effects of the tonal. In both cases there is no hope, ever, to understand or to explain what is that we are witnessing. DJ TOP
Just some thoughts.
You brought some things to mind that I would like to comment on without getting too far off your train of thought.DJ spoke about pitting one description against another. To do this we must either recognise differences or similarities.
What you said about gazing is a big key, I think. When turning off the internal dialog, DJ said it was not just a matter of curtailing words. It was deeper than that. I had thought about that a lot over the years and observed myself and how my mind works during silence. I also saw the need to gaze as part of that whole process of silence. Many times just gazing while sitting and turning off the internal dialog. The appearance of things changes when I do (or not do) a certain thing. I have come to think of it as "Judging" or "Pre-judging". It may seem like a small thing but it seems to me to be part and parcel of reaching that silence. What seems to happen is that depth perception is turned off and everything in my view becomes "equal." Nothing matters more or less than anything else and the world becomes just a screen of blotches of colors.
I may be making little sense here but it seems like this "state of mind" brought on by gazing and not judging is at least one of the similarities that we can discern between the first and second attention.To "not do what we have always done", I think is the way Don Juan put it.This judgement is the compulsion that we build our world view with. Whatever that world view might be. This compulsion to judge is what we can discern by pitting one view against another.This judgement is also, close to what DJ said was referring to when speaking about sneaking or weaseling between the worlds. It is what they both have in common. We begin to recognise it by Gazing, Not Doing and Turning off the Internal Dialog.It may be what Jesus was referring to when he said, "Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing." “Last night you witnessed not only the indescribable nagual but also the indescribable tonal. The last piece of the sorcerer’s explanation says that reason is merely reflecting an outside order, and that reason knows nothing about that order; it cannot explain, in the same way it cannot explain the nagual. Reason can only witness the effects of the tonal, but never could it understand it, or unravel it.”“Sorcerer’s do the same thing with their will. They say that through the will they can witness the effects of the nagual. I can add now that through reason, no matter what we do with it, or how we do it, we are merely witnessing the effects of the tonal. In both cases there is no hope, ever, to understand or to explain what is that we are witnessing. DJ TOP
Just some thoughts.