04-25-2011, 12:00 AM
Hi Lex,Quoting you here;
"DJ would have us believe that at birth our attention is fluid and our perception wide open. But we are told what it is we are perceiving, as if the ones telling us actually know, and slowly but surely our “bubble of perception” closes, defined by a description. Once attention has been sealed within this bubble caught by the description, self reflection is established but what “we” don’t realize is, the description is this reflection. Any ideas we have about our “self” that appears to be observing the reflection is merely the refractive activity of attention that is caught or fixed in this bubble. This is difficult to explain and see. So, how ever you come to terms with what DJ is saying about this is fine. There are many different ways of describing this from various traditions. For now just understand that the view from “inside” the bubble of perception prevents us from seeing the totality of ourselves. It is useless to talk about what this totality is, it has to be seen for oneself, however what we can say is; it is not what is perceived by a closed bubble of perception"
Just a little evidence of the above from Wikipedia;
The term infant is derived from the Latin word infans, meaning "unable to speak" or "speechless."
Lu 18:15
And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
Lu 18:16
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Lu 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.The defining of the description of the world (first attention) of an infant (Not speaking) child begins at speaking.
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.Now this last quote seems to indicate that the undoing of that description, making it possible for "stones to speak" (Becoming aware of reaffirmations, etc.), is dependant upon reversing the process by once again practicing silence as we did as an infant.But not merely dropping the words. An infant looks and doesn't define in any way, shape or form until he/she begins to define by naming things.That is the lack of judgement I have mentioned. You look at something with the internal dialog turned off and make no judgements at all. As Don Juan put it, it is more than a matter of merely curtailing the words.
There is also the fact that there seems to be a difference in Jesus' description of "seeing" the kingdom and "entering" the kingdom.That may be a description of catching glimses of the third attention and actually living there, respectively. I'm not positive about that but it seems to hold true.
Joh 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
"DJ would have us believe that at birth our attention is fluid and our perception wide open. But we are told what it is we are perceiving, as if the ones telling us actually know, and slowly but surely our “bubble of perception” closes, defined by a description. Once attention has been sealed within this bubble caught by the description, self reflection is established but what “we” don’t realize is, the description is this reflection. Any ideas we have about our “self” that appears to be observing the reflection is merely the refractive activity of attention that is caught or fixed in this bubble. This is difficult to explain and see. So, how ever you come to terms with what DJ is saying about this is fine. There are many different ways of describing this from various traditions. For now just understand that the view from “inside” the bubble of perception prevents us from seeing the totality of ourselves. It is useless to talk about what this totality is, it has to be seen for oneself, however what we can say is; it is not what is perceived by a closed bubble of perception"
Just a little evidence of the above from Wikipedia;
The term infant is derived from the Latin word infans, meaning "unable to speak" or "speechless."
Lu 18:15
And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
Lu 18:16
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Lu 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.The defining of the description of the world (first attention) of an infant (Not speaking) child begins at speaking.
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.Now this last quote seems to indicate that the undoing of that description, making it possible for "stones to speak" (Becoming aware of reaffirmations, etc.), is dependant upon reversing the process by once again practicing silence as we did as an infant.But not merely dropping the words. An infant looks and doesn't define in any way, shape or form until he/she begins to define by naming things.That is the lack of judgement I have mentioned. You look at something with the internal dialog turned off and make no judgements at all. As Don Juan put it, it is more than a matter of merely curtailing the words.
There is also the fact that there seems to be a difference in Jesus' description of "seeing" the kingdom and "entering" the kingdom.That may be a description of catching glimses of the third attention and actually living there, respectively. I'm not positive about that but it seems to hold true.
Joh 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.