05-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Bob May wrote:
Hi Ninth and Lex,
"Here is where I varied from the tradition. After a life long struggle I know that what matters is not a new description but to arrive at the totality of oneself." DJ
This has been a very fruitful study subject for me. Pieces falling into place all over the place.The story of the reunion of Joseph and the brothers of Jacob/Israel has always been in my mind the same as Don Juan's coming to the toality of oneself. The brothers are aspects of the human condition. Seeing, Hearing, Judgement, etc. Twelve in number as opposed to Don Juan's eight.Wow, ain't this the shizzna! I have been thinking along these same lines , especially since the beginning of this year to find the signifigance of DJ, the totality of oneself and how Jacob "Israel"his 12 tribes that were scattered over the earth and thereafter fit into the" totality" of the pieces of the human condition. Right after this reunion the sons and Israel are given the land of Goshen (unity) by the pharoah to dwell in.At this point the sons of Pharoah are introduced into the story.Been trying to understand "why out of Egypt"everything biblically comes to and than away from Egypt. Egypt is known as the "base"nation.
I 'hope not to really go off on tangets here, but I never understood what and Why DJ took the time to mention and relate the pyramids of Egypt ( in one of CC's books). I forget exactly which book? Ge 41:50
And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him.
Ge 41:51
And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he, hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father's house."Manasseh " is
also THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA the designated lost tribe of Jacob/ Israel // Joeseph's son Manasseh Ge 41:52
And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction."Ephraim" is ENGLAND the designated lost tribe of Jacob/ Israel // Joseph's son. The understanding of its meaning now seen in its totality on a global united front.Ephraim, I have laways known to mean Understanding.But it wasn't until last night that I realised what Manasseh signified. That was revealed when re-reading Tales of power.It all fits with the Bible and Qabalah and Don Juan's Sorcerer's explanation.Manasseh is Wisdom. (Knowing without having known as my teacher used to call it.)This is THE SHIZZNA . A great revelation. I am not ignorant of the Kabbalah and can understand the meaning of the basic aspects of the "Daath" This is the Trinity, the Shikina Glory, the unmanifest manifestation ( source/ nagual) . This is the completion, the totality of humanity. The triangle that with wisdom , understanding , and at its apex - the eagles'eye - knowledge. Knowledge with wisdom with understanding interchangably so. The all knowing eye that sits upon the pyramid. ( like on the US 1 dollar bill) . The Eagle is the symbol for America. There is way more to this and the development of nation of the United States ( Manasseh) from the spliting apart from its brother England( Ephraim) A comment by Don Juan really made everything fall into place. He and Carlos were loking for a proper tonal in people walking by. He would not let Carlos write anything down. Afterwards Carlos could not remember all of the people they had observed and wondered if Don Juan had so he could list them out.I was also thinking of this particular observation made by DJ with CC when they would sit on that emphamis bench and watch as people walked by looking for a proper tonal. lol "...since DJ, linage could not continue due to our energetic configuration, our mission was transformed from continueing his linage into DISSEMINATING HIS IDEAS. DJ's LINAGE ENDS WITH US! What could this mean for us??????? He laughed and said that he did not remember it, because in the life of a sorcerer it was "nagual" that was accountable for creativity." This direct knowledge which is responsible for "seeing" and "knowing without having known" is Wisdom.
In the Qabalah it is one of the Spheres of the Supernal Triangle. It is the force side of the Tree. Chokmah, Wisdom.
The polar opposite is also in the Supernal Triangle, it is Binah, Understanding. Going by my particular birthdate ( configuration) and its nurmerology my number is 3 Ge 48:1
And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.
Ge 48:2
And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed.
Ge 48:5
And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.
Ge 48:6
And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance.
Ge 48:7
And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same is Bethlehem.
Ge 48:8
And Israel beheld Joseph's sons, and said, Who are these?
Ge 48:9
And Joseph said unto his father, They are my sons, whom God hath given me in this place. And he said, Bring them, I pray thee, unto me, and I will bless them.
Ge 48:10
Now the eyes of Israel were dim for age, so that he could not see. And he brought them near unto him; and he kissed them, and embraced them.
Ge 48:11
And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, God hath showed me also thy seed.Starting with these particular verses in the OT, I realised there is the making of the symbol of the "Star of David"Israel
Ge 48:12
And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.
Ge 48:13
And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.
Ge 48:14
And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Ge 48:15
And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,This is the DAATH - a triangle pointed upward and downward inside another triangle pointed downward --ascending and descending according to Jacob// Israel's dream -and the all encompasing totality of the 6 points/ completion set betwix the 6 -the number of Jesus - in the center of the tree of life "Jesus"~ hovering inside above and below the formation of the two triangles > the apex of the triangle inverted downwards the other apex of the traiangle pointed upwards.
Ge 48:16
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Ge 48:17
And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Ge 48:18
And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Ge 48:19
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Ge 48:20
And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.Stick with me this is kind of long but it is something I have been trying to understand for years.
Manasseh, Wisdom, spiritual experience, the "nagual" coming through in all kinds of ways is born first.Ephraim, Understanding, is born second and yet gets the greater blessing.
Until all of the elements or aspects of Carlos' character were in order (reunion of the sons of Israel) And he had been shown enough pieces of the "nagual", Wisdom, he was not given the Sorcerer's explanation. Understanding is the putting together of the pieces, which the function of the tonal, and which is not possible without enough pieces and the "sorcerer's explanation."
Being that both Chockmah, Wisdom, at the head of the pillar of force and Binah, Understanding, at the head of the pillar of form are both above the Abyss and therefore part of the Godhead, They are both Incomprehensible!!!
Wisdom and Understanding, the roots of force and form are inseparable. So are the nagual and the tonal.
In my own life and experience I have had many experiences with spiritual experiences and flashes of inspiration etc.It is only recently that the Understanding side of it has begun to show itself so clearly to me.It is only by holding one against the other that a full understanding can be gained.
The blessing of the two sons of Joseph (Wisdom and Understanding) comes at the end of the book of Genesis right after the reunion of the brothers of Joseph and their father Jacob/Israel. They are dwelling in Goshen (Unity)The betowing of the sorcerer's explanation comes at the end of the apprenticeship of Carlos right after he is given the complete explanation of the two remaining pieces of the puzzle. The "nagual" and the "tonal." Thanks Bob. I see it this way too. Hope I didn't take it out of context or too much off the track , Lex. Here's the lost tribes of Israel website. http/www.giveshare.org/israel/losttribesisra ... pter6.html
Hi Ninth and Lex,
"Here is where I varied from the tradition. After a life long struggle I know that what matters is not a new description but to arrive at the totality of oneself." DJ
This has been a very fruitful study subject for me. Pieces falling into place all over the place.The story of the reunion of Joseph and the brothers of Jacob/Israel has always been in my mind the same as Don Juan's coming to the toality of oneself. The brothers are aspects of the human condition. Seeing, Hearing, Judgement, etc. Twelve in number as opposed to Don Juan's eight.Wow, ain't this the shizzna! I have been thinking along these same lines , especially since the beginning of this year to find the signifigance of DJ, the totality of oneself and how Jacob "Israel"his 12 tribes that were scattered over the earth and thereafter fit into the" totality" of the pieces of the human condition. Right after this reunion the sons and Israel are given the land of Goshen (unity) by the pharoah to dwell in.At this point the sons of Pharoah are introduced into the story.Been trying to understand "why out of Egypt"everything biblically comes to and than away from Egypt. Egypt is known as the "base"nation.
I 'hope not to really go off on tangets here, but I never understood what and Why DJ took the time to mention and relate the pyramids of Egypt ( in one of CC's books). I forget exactly which book? Ge 41:50
And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him.
Ge 41:51
And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: For God, said he, hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father's house."Manasseh " is
also THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA the designated lost tribe of Jacob/ Israel // Joeseph's son Manasseh Ge 41:52
And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction."Ephraim" is ENGLAND the designated lost tribe of Jacob/ Israel // Joseph's son. The understanding of its meaning now seen in its totality on a global united front.Ephraim, I have laways known to mean Understanding.But it wasn't until last night that I realised what Manasseh signified. That was revealed when re-reading Tales of power.It all fits with the Bible and Qabalah and Don Juan's Sorcerer's explanation.Manasseh is Wisdom. (Knowing without having known as my teacher used to call it.)This is THE SHIZZNA . A great revelation. I am not ignorant of the Kabbalah and can understand the meaning of the basic aspects of the "Daath" This is the Trinity, the Shikina Glory, the unmanifest manifestation ( source/ nagual) . This is the completion, the totality of humanity. The triangle that with wisdom , understanding , and at its apex - the eagles'eye - knowledge. Knowledge with wisdom with understanding interchangably so. The all knowing eye that sits upon the pyramid. ( like on the US 1 dollar bill) . The Eagle is the symbol for America. There is way more to this and the development of nation of the United States ( Manasseh) from the spliting apart from its brother England( Ephraim) A comment by Don Juan really made everything fall into place. He and Carlos were loking for a proper tonal in people walking by. He would not let Carlos write anything down. Afterwards Carlos could not remember all of the people they had observed and wondered if Don Juan had so he could list them out.I was also thinking of this particular observation made by DJ with CC when they would sit on that emphamis bench and watch as people walked by looking for a proper tonal. lol "...since DJ, linage could not continue due to our energetic configuration, our mission was transformed from continueing his linage into DISSEMINATING HIS IDEAS. DJ's LINAGE ENDS WITH US! What could this mean for us??????? He laughed and said that he did not remember it, because in the life of a sorcerer it was "nagual" that was accountable for creativity." This direct knowledge which is responsible for "seeing" and "knowing without having known" is Wisdom.
In the Qabalah it is one of the Spheres of the Supernal Triangle. It is the force side of the Tree. Chokmah, Wisdom.
The polar opposite is also in the Supernal Triangle, it is Binah, Understanding. Going by my particular birthdate ( configuration) and its nurmerology my number is 3 Ge 48:1
And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.
Ge 48:2
And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed.
Ge 48:5
And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.
Ge 48:6
And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance.
Ge 48:7
And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same is Bethlehem.
Ge 48:8
And Israel beheld Joseph's sons, and said, Who are these?
Ge 48:9
And Joseph said unto his father, They are my sons, whom God hath given me in this place. And he said, Bring them, I pray thee, unto me, and I will bless them.
Ge 48:10
Now the eyes of Israel were dim for age, so that he could not see. And he brought them near unto him; and he kissed them, and embraced them.
Ge 48:11
And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, God hath showed me also thy seed.Starting with these particular verses in the OT, I realised there is the making of the symbol of the "Star of David"Israel
Ge 48:12
And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.
Ge 48:13
And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.
Ge 48:14
And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Ge 48:15
And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,This is the DAATH - a triangle pointed upward and downward inside another triangle pointed downward --ascending and descending according to Jacob// Israel's dream -and the all encompasing totality of the 6 points/ completion set betwix the 6 -the number of Jesus - in the center of the tree of life "Jesus"~ hovering inside above and below the formation of the two triangles > the apex of the triangle inverted downwards the other apex of the traiangle pointed upwards.
Ge 48:16
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Ge 48:17
And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Ge 48:18
And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Ge 48:19
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Ge 48:20
And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.Stick with me this is kind of long but it is something I have been trying to understand for years.
Manasseh, Wisdom, spiritual experience, the "nagual" coming through in all kinds of ways is born first.Ephraim, Understanding, is born second and yet gets the greater blessing.
Until all of the elements or aspects of Carlos' character were in order (reunion of the sons of Israel) And he had been shown enough pieces of the "nagual", Wisdom, he was not given the Sorcerer's explanation. Understanding is the putting together of the pieces, which the function of the tonal, and which is not possible without enough pieces and the "sorcerer's explanation."
Being that both Chockmah, Wisdom, at the head of the pillar of force and Binah, Understanding, at the head of the pillar of form are both above the Abyss and therefore part of the Godhead, They are both Incomprehensible!!!
Wisdom and Understanding, the roots of force and form are inseparable. So are the nagual and the tonal.
In my own life and experience I have had many experiences with spiritual experiences and flashes of inspiration etc.It is only recently that the Understanding side of it has begun to show itself so clearly to me.It is only by holding one against the other that a full understanding can be gained.
The blessing of the two sons of Joseph (Wisdom and Understanding) comes at the end of the book of Genesis right after the reunion of the brothers of Joseph and their father Jacob/Israel. They are dwelling in Goshen (Unity)The betowing of the sorcerer's explanation comes at the end of the apprenticeship of Carlos right after he is given the complete explanation of the two remaining pieces of the puzzle. The "nagual" and the "tonal." Thanks Bob. I see it this way too. Hope I didn't take it out of context or too much off the track , Lex. Here's the lost tribes of Israel website. http/www.giveshare.org/israel/losttribesisra ... pter6.html