05-29-2011, 12:01 AM
[b][b][b][b][b]Lex[/b][/b][/b][/b] Silentio wrote:[/b]
I had a more lengthy response to my withdrawing from Ravenfiled/DD, but this will probably suffice.
When I started reading what was posted there especially by you LW, I could not align. What you have outlined, the framework, so to speak is too “cookie cutter” for me. I think it is the responsibility of each new “era” of seers to wrestle with the designs of intent in order to fathom what is being indicated, what direction to move in, how to proceed, how to express and embody the inexpressible. We cannot put “new wine into old wine skins”.
I know earlier I was pressing about the Rule and nagual parties etc. I was trying to open a dialogue on the matter. I am far from adopting a literal interpretation of the Rule as expressed in Eagle’s Gift. It is not that I am against such an approach, such an approach might even be fruitful. The approach of generations past regarding the Rule expressed in CC’s works, is the fruit of “their” labor the expression of their wrestling with the designs of intent.
I find that those expressions of the eras of old and new seers and too 2nd attention ladened. The orientation and interpretation too burdened with dead ends.
This thread “Sorcerer’s Explanation Reviewed”, is the expression of my wrestling with the design’s of intent and the impact it had upon Don Juan’s life (not easy to get to). It has taken me a long time to even scratch the surface here, regarding, this era of the “Modern seers”. I confused the modern seers as new seers of this time. Nemo helped clarify that for me so I am now able to approach the implications of the “modern seers” and assess more accurately the conclusions of the new seers.
This thread represents the liminality of this process. There was such a lack of participation in this thread by the “sorcerer’s” of this forum. Regardless of what some might think of me, I urge you to put aside any personal feelings good or bad toward me and engage the content of this thread and let us hear from you.What do you think about the direction DJ appears to be advocating?
Is there a distinction between a modern seer and a new seer? I thought DJ used " modern" as another synonym for "new". Please correct me if I am wrong.
Lex, I think you hit the nail on the head with the full meaning of the word liminality.
I looked it up in wikipedia and there is much to say about CC in regard to his intention throughout his writings. I try to hear the heart of Castaneda when he does leave behind some of his own words-straight from the horses mouth so to speak, that have been said and captured in real time for our recapitulation. For instance CC said this in a 1994 interview..."Make intent an index. Intent is merely the awareness of a possibility -of a chance to have a chance. It's one of the perennial forces of the universe that we never call upon-by holding onto the intent of the sorcerer's world, you're giving yourself a chance to have a chance. Move toward it, without understanding." Carlos Castaneda
What do you think about the direction DJ appears to be advocating after reading this Castaneda quote in real time?
I think CC had enough dreaming and stalking under his belt especially the older he got. I think he took all those techniques that were dreamt in the 2nd Attention and later became proficent in the application and use of intent into the ordinary reality of 1st Attention.
The word liminality discribes the intent of The Sorceror's Explanation.
....a threshold in time or space, the middle ground between more than one entity without being either entity. The energy of both entities meet at this spot.( hello double
The top of a mountain -in between the sky and the earth. Seashore- inbetween earth and ocean. ( DJ taught CC to look at the horizon )
Midnight -for those it is neither past, present, or future. These are Celtic symbols that are 60 seconds related to spiritus munda, which is called the collective unconscious.
Betwixt and between liminality is sacred, alluring and dangerous. ( DJ warned CC against spending time in the inorganic world)
Jungian psychology has an archetypal figure, "the trickster". Is a symbol of the liminal state itself, and of its permanent accessibility as a source of re creative power. The "intermediate space" "excluded middle" or "between" the different kind of reality that is within it.
I had a more lengthy response to my withdrawing from Ravenfiled/DD, but this will probably suffice.
When I started reading what was posted there especially by you LW, I could not align. What you have outlined, the framework, so to speak is too “cookie cutter” for me. I think it is the responsibility of each new “era” of seers to wrestle with the designs of intent in order to fathom what is being indicated, what direction to move in, how to proceed, how to express and embody the inexpressible. We cannot put “new wine into old wine skins”.
I know earlier I was pressing about the Rule and nagual parties etc. I was trying to open a dialogue on the matter. I am far from adopting a literal interpretation of the Rule as expressed in Eagle’s Gift. It is not that I am against such an approach, such an approach might even be fruitful. The approach of generations past regarding the Rule expressed in CC’s works, is the fruit of “their” labor the expression of their wrestling with the designs of intent.
I find that those expressions of the eras of old and new seers and too 2nd attention ladened. The orientation and interpretation too burdened with dead ends.
This thread “Sorcerer’s Explanation Reviewed”, is the expression of my wrestling with the design’s of intent and the impact it had upon Don Juan’s life (not easy to get to). It has taken me a long time to even scratch the surface here, regarding, this era of the “Modern seers”. I confused the modern seers as new seers of this time. Nemo helped clarify that for me so I am now able to approach the implications of the “modern seers” and assess more accurately the conclusions of the new seers.
This thread represents the liminality of this process. There was such a lack of participation in this thread by the “sorcerer’s” of this forum. Regardless of what some might think of me, I urge you to put aside any personal feelings good or bad toward me and engage the content of this thread and let us hear from you.What do you think about the direction DJ appears to be advocating?
Is there a distinction between a modern seer and a new seer? I thought DJ used " modern" as another synonym for "new". Please correct me if I am wrong.
Lex, I think you hit the nail on the head with the full meaning of the word liminality.
I looked it up in wikipedia and there is much to say about CC in regard to his intention throughout his writings. I try to hear the heart of Castaneda when he does leave behind some of his own words-straight from the horses mouth so to speak, that have been said and captured in real time for our recapitulation. For instance CC said this in a 1994 interview..."Make intent an index. Intent is merely the awareness of a possibility -of a chance to have a chance. It's one of the perennial forces of the universe that we never call upon-by holding onto the intent of the sorcerer's world, you're giving yourself a chance to have a chance. Move toward it, without understanding." Carlos Castaneda
What do you think about the direction DJ appears to be advocating after reading this Castaneda quote in real time?
I think CC had enough dreaming and stalking under his belt especially the older he got. I think he took all those techniques that were dreamt in the 2nd Attention and later became proficent in the application and use of intent into the ordinary reality of 1st Attention.
The word liminality discribes the intent of The Sorceror's Explanation.
....a threshold in time or space, the middle ground between more than one entity without being either entity. The energy of both entities meet at this spot.( hello double
The top of a mountain -in between the sky and the earth. Seashore- inbetween earth and ocean. ( DJ taught CC to look at the horizon )
Midnight -for those it is neither past, present, or future. These are Celtic symbols that are 60 seconds related to spiritus munda, which is called the collective unconscious.
Betwixt and between liminality is sacred, alluring and dangerous. ( DJ warned CC against spending time in the inorganic world)
Jungian psychology has an archetypal figure, "the trickster". Is a symbol of the liminal state itself, and of its permanent accessibility as a source of re creative power. The "intermediate space" "excluded middle" or "between" the different kind of reality that is within it.