06-01-2011, 12:01 AM
Modern Seers it seems that you and Nemo are defining are those who do not need the warrior party and who will shift en mass when the time comes. I agree there is coming such an event. I see two aftereffects of this shift, the ones who can shift will go but there will be others who will stay for various reasons. Some need to stay to lead humanity out of the darkness.
A group or by yourself, I can go either way but I listen to the spirit and it tells me to form a band of warriors. LW
Here the dialogue shifts. LW you are injecting into the dialogue several peripheral elements that really have little to do with what is being presented in this thread. But we can acknowledge them. First let me be clear for myself. I know nothing about an event, a shift en mass or the time when it occurs, other than a lining up of celestial bodies in the heavens. If this is a reference to 2012 I say good luck with that just as I say to all those Christians who keep expecting a similar event which never seems to happen. I might stand alone in my opinions to 2012. As far as I can tell there will not be any kind of exodus of people disappearing from the planet, probably not even a few. Those that put forth such notions I suspect have a fall back position of interpretation to save face and it will be laden with “the very subtle energetic influences” difficult to be aware of, that they will then proceed to interpret.
So LW if you choose this time or moment to leave this planet with a warrior party that is certainly an option but let everyone understand old seers even have been doing just that for a very long time, it really has nothing to do with a 2012 event. For new seers to be so attached to this notion of leaving this world alone or with a warrior party for life in an energetic body out there in infinity makes me wonder have we not learned anything in this regard. From what I can gather old seers were able to do this with entire populations even.
Very interesting Lone Wolf, and of course all will follow what feels right to them. Often though what feels right is conditioning, and for those who lean towards Toltec views in understanding, they will often follow the energetic imprint of seers from past....Nemo
Modern Seers it seems that you and Nemo are defining are those who do not need the warrior party LW
I think what Nemo was getting at was not so much that Modern seers do not need a warrior party but that the need for a warrior party itself will be a thing of the past, big difference.
It seems to me LW that it would have been better to ask Nemo why he thought that or how did he arrive at it instead of just diverting things back into the familiar. In my opinion this is how we struggle together to discern the designs of intent as it moves in another direction. Perhaps we are mistaken and there is nothing new happening in this regard and that modern seers is nothing but a new term for an old thing. If that be the case then there is nothing to fear here and if it is not the case and there is something to this then there is something beneficial.
As we struggle to see the modern energetic structure through the cloud of what was presented to us and the unmanifested future there will be some who will find what they are looking for in the ways of the past, that’s great, but try not to rush to hold on to it, because the new structure has not been placed before you for your perusal. Nemo
The New Seers seek as Nemo says total freedom when the Old Seers sought power over death. Once you have seen what governs our deaths then you will know for yourself. LW
Now, now guys play nice. A dialogue of this type needs time to develop its themes. When possible we need to give each other room to expound. Nemo’s first comment ended with the words, “if they are not seers themselves” (those of Toltec leanings would be “CONDITIONED” ) So LW defends his “seeing” and fires back, “Once you have seen what governs our deaths then you will know for yourself.”
I wouldn’t say that the old seers “sought power over death”. I just don’t think they had an answer for it so they sought to avoid it at all costs by whatever means available extending their existence for as long as possible. Ironic that for some this meant an existence worse than death itself. Now that is fascinating. For a lot of people they could not give a rats ass if they die some would even welcome it as an imagined relief from this toil and suffering. But for the old ones they knew things of such magnitude on a relative level that it was inconceivable to them to face even the possibility that death might eradicate or extinguish what they knew. They dared not risk it and these the most daring of men! They had become so indispensable in their own minds. And this is what governed their explorations.
Freedom is the goal of the new seers but if that goal becomes clouded by the ambitions of the old seers then even new seers such as Julian get waylaid. This is where the Sorcerer's Explanation can help as it lays the ground work for the modern seers, yet it too needs to be seen within the context that DJ was presenting it for it to be of any use. That is what this thread is about.
A group or by yourself, I can go either way but I listen to the spirit and it tells me to form a band of warriors. LW
Here the dialogue shifts. LW you are injecting into the dialogue several peripheral elements that really have little to do with what is being presented in this thread. But we can acknowledge them. First let me be clear for myself. I know nothing about an event, a shift en mass or the time when it occurs, other than a lining up of celestial bodies in the heavens. If this is a reference to 2012 I say good luck with that just as I say to all those Christians who keep expecting a similar event which never seems to happen. I might stand alone in my opinions to 2012. As far as I can tell there will not be any kind of exodus of people disappearing from the planet, probably not even a few. Those that put forth such notions I suspect have a fall back position of interpretation to save face and it will be laden with “the very subtle energetic influences” difficult to be aware of, that they will then proceed to interpret.
So LW if you choose this time or moment to leave this planet with a warrior party that is certainly an option but let everyone understand old seers even have been doing just that for a very long time, it really has nothing to do with a 2012 event. For new seers to be so attached to this notion of leaving this world alone or with a warrior party for life in an energetic body out there in infinity makes me wonder have we not learned anything in this regard. From what I can gather old seers were able to do this with entire populations even.
Very interesting Lone Wolf, and of course all will follow what feels right to them. Often though what feels right is conditioning, and for those who lean towards Toltec views in understanding, they will often follow the energetic imprint of seers from past....Nemo
Modern Seers it seems that you and Nemo are defining are those who do not need the warrior party LW
I think what Nemo was getting at was not so much that Modern seers do not need a warrior party but that the need for a warrior party itself will be a thing of the past, big difference.
It seems to me LW that it would have been better to ask Nemo why he thought that or how did he arrive at it instead of just diverting things back into the familiar. In my opinion this is how we struggle together to discern the designs of intent as it moves in another direction. Perhaps we are mistaken and there is nothing new happening in this regard and that modern seers is nothing but a new term for an old thing. If that be the case then there is nothing to fear here and if it is not the case and there is something to this then there is something beneficial.
As we struggle to see the modern energetic structure through the cloud of what was presented to us and the unmanifested future there will be some who will find what they are looking for in the ways of the past, that’s great, but try not to rush to hold on to it, because the new structure has not been placed before you for your perusal. Nemo
The New Seers seek as Nemo says total freedom when the Old Seers sought power over death. Once you have seen what governs our deaths then you will know for yourself. LW
Now, now guys play nice. A dialogue of this type needs time to develop its themes. When possible we need to give each other room to expound. Nemo’s first comment ended with the words, “if they are not seers themselves” (those of Toltec leanings would be “CONDITIONED” ) So LW defends his “seeing” and fires back, “Once you have seen what governs our deaths then you will know for yourself.”
I wouldn’t say that the old seers “sought power over death”. I just don’t think they had an answer for it so they sought to avoid it at all costs by whatever means available extending their existence for as long as possible. Ironic that for some this meant an existence worse than death itself. Now that is fascinating. For a lot of people they could not give a rats ass if they die some would even welcome it as an imagined relief from this toil and suffering. But for the old ones they knew things of such magnitude on a relative level that it was inconceivable to them to face even the possibility that death might eradicate or extinguish what they knew. They dared not risk it and these the most daring of men! They had become so indispensable in their own minds. And this is what governed their explorations.
Freedom is the goal of the new seers but if that goal becomes clouded by the ambitions of the old seers then even new seers such as Julian get waylaid. This is where the Sorcerer's Explanation can help as it lays the ground work for the modern seers, yet it too needs to be seen within the context that DJ was presenting it for it to be of any use. That is what this thread is about.