06-06-2011, 12:01 AM
Reading all this put forth, it seems to me a basic understanding is now underscored here...that the key is getting past the eagle, whether one does it through the ways of an old seer, new seer or modern seer. Nu Lang
When I first started this thread and then had things fall into place with Nemo’s help, it produced a razor sharp apprehension of what I was trying to clarify here. Now two months and many responses later I am experiencing a lull and even dullness. The initial insight itself becoming clouded and feeling like it was just slipping into irrelevancy. So I went back and reread the very first post. For the sake of this dialogue I recommend others reread it too. But for now I think Post #8 addresses where Nu Lang wants to go with this.
Post #8
Now if you have followed this so far what DJ discovered is the totality of himself. Now because we don’t have a clear understanding of what this actually is and means it is not quite apparent why this is such a big deal for DJ. and why it necessitated that he deviate from the tradition of his predecessors. This is different than anything else that is talked about in the sorcerer’s tradition of that lineage. Now please understand from the literature we know that Naguals and their parties have been leaving the everyday world of 1st attention, but that is not what DJ is talking about. Remember according to DJ, his predecessors never achieved their totality! Seers both old and new have been leaving this planet for alternate realities for a very long time. It is the aim of some in this forum that at the point of death or before, they wish to transfer their awareness to their energy body, dart past the Eagle and go from there. This is pure second attention stuff and certainly not third attention.
“He said that the 2nd attention is also called the left side awareness; and it is the vastest field that one can imagine, so vast in fact that it seems limitless. I wouldn’t stray into it for anything in this world. It is a quagmire so complex and bizarre that sober seers go into it only under the strictest conditions” DJ FFW
Achieving this Totality that DJ speaks of is third attention and it is not something that lies “beyond” 2nd attention out there in the many varied layers, no, it is right here right now and it lies between 1st and 2nd attention. It is a supreme accomplishment to achieve this now without becoming disembodied awareness. The cosmic vagina lies between the legs of 1st and 2nd attention lol.
“The mastery of awareness must develop to its natural end, which is ....to extend the glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon in one single stroke” DJ FFW
“We can better explain this by saying that the task of the teacher is to wipe clean one half of the bubble and reorder everything on the other half. The benefactor’s task then is to open the bubble on the side that has been cleaned. ONCE THE SEAL HAS BEEN BROKEN THE WARRIOR IS NEVER THE SAME. HE HAS THEN COMMAND OF HIS TOTALITY.
Half of the is the ultimate center of reason , the tonal. The other half is the ultimate center of will, the nagual. That is the order that should prevail; any other arrangement is nonsensical and petty, because it goes against our nature; it robs us of our magical heritage and reduces us to nothing.” DJ TOPNow as far as I can see here, this is the difference, this cleaning and re-ordering the elements of the bubble of perception in preparation for breaking the seal, thus extending the glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon and gaining Totality.
Something that is commonly reported when this happens, is that people cannot tell if they are in the body or out of the body. Until the seal is broken seers both old and new have encounters with the nagual in the left side awareness and shift between 1st and 2nd attention and back or never back. When the seal is broken human form is dropped, as it was very body (form) orientated, and in DJ’s words the wings of perception unfold and embrace simultaneously the tonal and the nagual, without all the back and forth.
Now what one ultimately does with the command of their Totality while they live out their lives here is another issue. And it matters not whether one is successful or not with the tasks they wait upon.
“Here is where I varied from the tradition. After a lifelong struggle I know that what matters is not to learn a new description (sorcery) but to arrive at the totality of oneself.” DJ TOP
So it is and it isn't about darting past the Eagle, Nu Lang, let me explain. If we think that its about forming a warrior party to leave the planet and sneak past the Eagle (product of the view of sorcery), then that is not what DJ advocates. His predecessors had been doing just that and according to DJ they missed what he achieved.
But if sneaking past the Eagle is equated to cracking the bubble of perception here and now then it relates more to a simultaneous embrace of 1st and 2nd attention and the emergence of 3rd attention as as an active, dynamic, intensity that expresses this "unfolding of the wings of perception" without getting overwhelmed/engulfed by either 1st or 2nd attention.
When I first started this thread and then had things fall into place with Nemo’s help, it produced a razor sharp apprehension of what I was trying to clarify here. Now two months and many responses later I am experiencing a lull and even dullness. The initial insight itself becoming clouded and feeling like it was just slipping into irrelevancy. So I went back and reread the very first post. For the sake of this dialogue I recommend others reread it too. But for now I think Post #8 addresses where Nu Lang wants to go with this.
Post #8
Now if you have followed this so far what DJ discovered is the totality of himself. Now because we don’t have a clear understanding of what this actually is and means it is not quite apparent why this is such a big deal for DJ. and why it necessitated that he deviate from the tradition of his predecessors. This is different than anything else that is talked about in the sorcerer’s tradition of that lineage. Now please understand from the literature we know that Naguals and their parties have been leaving the everyday world of 1st attention, but that is not what DJ is talking about. Remember according to DJ, his predecessors never achieved their totality! Seers both old and new have been leaving this planet for alternate realities for a very long time. It is the aim of some in this forum that at the point of death or before, they wish to transfer their awareness to their energy body, dart past the Eagle and go from there. This is pure second attention stuff and certainly not third attention.
“He said that the 2nd attention is also called the left side awareness; and it is the vastest field that one can imagine, so vast in fact that it seems limitless. I wouldn’t stray into it for anything in this world. It is a quagmire so complex and bizarre that sober seers go into it only under the strictest conditions” DJ FFW
Achieving this Totality that DJ speaks of is third attention and it is not something that lies “beyond” 2nd attention out there in the many varied layers, no, it is right here right now and it lies between 1st and 2nd attention. It is a supreme accomplishment to achieve this now without becoming disembodied awareness. The cosmic vagina lies between the legs of 1st and 2nd attention lol.
“The mastery of awareness must develop to its natural end, which is ....to extend the glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon in one single stroke” DJ FFW
“We can better explain this by saying that the task of the teacher is to wipe clean one half of the bubble and reorder everything on the other half. The benefactor’s task then is to open the bubble on the side that has been cleaned. ONCE THE SEAL HAS BEEN BROKEN THE WARRIOR IS NEVER THE SAME. HE HAS THEN COMMAND OF HIS TOTALITY.
Half of the is the ultimate center of reason , the tonal. The other half is the ultimate center of will, the nagual. That is the order that should prevail; any other arrangement is nonsensical and petty, because it goes against our nature; it robs us of our magical heritage and reduces us to nothing.” DJ TOPNow as far as I can see here, this is the difference, this cleaning and re-ordering the elements of the bubble of perception in preparation for breaking the seal, thus extending the glow of awareness beyond the bounds of the luminous cocoon and gaining Totality.
Something that is commonly reported when this happens, is that people cannot tell if they are in the body or out of the body. Until the seal is broken seers both old and new have encounters with the nagual in the left side awareness and shift between 1st and 2nd attention and back or never back. When the seal is broken human form is dropped, as it was very body (form) orientated, and in DJ’s words the wings of perception unfold and embrace simultaneously the tonal and the nagual, without all the back and forth.
Now what one ultimately does with the command of their Totality while they live out their lives here is another issue. And it matters not whether one is successful or not with the tasks they wait upon.
“Here is where I varied from the tradition. After a lifelong struggle I know that what matters is not to learn a new description (sorcery) but to arrive at the totality of oneself.” DJ TOP
So it is and it isn't about darting past the Eagle, Nu Lang, let me explain. If we think that its about forming a warrior party to leave the planet and sneak past the Eagle (product of the view of sorcery), then that is not what DJ advocates. His predecessors had been doing just that and according to DJ they missed what he achieved.
But if sneaking past the Eagle is equated to cracking the bubble of perception here and now then it relates more to a simultaneous embrace of 1st and 2nd attention and the emergence of 3rd attention as as an active, dynamic, intensity that expresses this "unfolding of the wings of perception" without getting overwhelmed/engulfed by either 1st or 2nd attention.