06-07-2011, 12:01 AM
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:To address the above post: Rearranging the bubble as described and then bursting it, is a good physical description of what is happening when the shift is made to leave the body with full awareness. The tonal has been addressed, the nagual side is ready. Total toltality.
Achieving the third attention while alive is indeed the height of the sorcerer's power. Maintaining it at will requires much energy and cannot be achieved for very long periods before losing consciousness.
My first and foremost reason into reading the works of Castaneda was to seek freedom from death, thus when the Eagle's Gift came out, I was finally satisfied with an answer. The old seers led the way but the new seers under the lineage of the Tenant decided that maybe there was worse fates out there then death. So backing off, some began to ponder what they can achieve before crossing. Thus we have the warrior's way.
Ah, so you mean, to the new seers they saw by examining the path of the old seers, defeating death was not enough, because they (old seers) were still stuck with a self, this self had issues (i.e. self importance) which attracted unwanted consequences. In other words, after escaping death, their (OS) fates were not so great as they thought maybe. Its like the inner work will reflect the ap worlds/positions assembled, so the limitations are self-imposed when one does not do work to clear self(clouded thoughts and emotions). The new seers saw the advantage of forming parties while here and the purpose was to support each other in the quest of getting past the eagle (death), but not exactly like the old seers who were only concerned with defeating death, but a new way which is undoing all the self importance and then operating from a lighter vessel of awareness (their attention becomes lighter and more fluid due to releasing SI). Then when they died, or chose to leave the world as a party, or even individually perhaps, their ap could be shifted to a different position, one that was blocked for the old seers due to the awareness they practiced and could not 'get beyond'?
World's longest question, lol. And the above is/has been my seeing. So seeing if I read you correctly in which case we are in agreement then.
So its easy to see how from the new seers we got recap, shutting off internal dialog, defeating the flyer, death as an adviser for inner change, etc. Because the new seers were concerned with avoiding the mistakes of the old seers, which were not about the eagle so much, but about how the old seers faced their death. The old seers approached it as an end all it seems, where as the new seers wanted to create a better future (beyond death) by changing to now, that was inner directed. The new seers saw that when they gave up certain thoughts, beliefs, habits, they became quite different, non-human almost (compared to those around them). Certainly more abstract then the old seers. This penchant for abstraction opened up new possibilities for them (Power being itself abstract). Bottom line is work must be done here and now. The present moment is the most important for its here we meet the future. Discipline and sacrifice are ways of new/modern seers. Old seers had discipline, but did not sacrifice ways of self so their discipline actually served furthering of a self, even if it was a highly developed sorceric self capable of great feats (2nd attention). For new/modern seers its the opposite. They disciplined themselves and shattered self reflection through their tenacious discipline. Then used that liberation within 2nd attention to venture out to new worlds.
Achieving the third attention while alive is indeed the height of the sorcerer's power. Maintaining it at will requires much energy and cannot be achieved for very long periods before losing consciousness.
My first and foremost reason into reading the works of Castaneda was to seek freedom from death, thus when the Eagle's Gift came out, I was finally satisfied with an answer. The old seers led the way but the new seers under the lineage of the Tenant decided that maybe there was worse fates out there then death. So backing off, some began to ponder what they can achieve before crossing. Thus we have the warrior's way.
Ah, so you mean, to the new seers they saw by examining the path of the old seers, defeating death was not enough, because they (old seers) were still stuck with a self, this self had issues (i.e. self importance) which attracted unwanted consequences. In other words, after escaping death, their (OS) fates were not so great as they thought maybe. Its like the inner work will reflect the ap worlds/positions assembled, so the limitations are self-imposed when one does not do work to clear self(clouded thoughts and emotions). The new seers saw the advantage of forming parties while here and the purpose was to support each other in the quest of getting past the eagle (death), but not exactly like the old seers who were only concerned with defeating death, but a new way which is undoing all the self importance and then operating from a lighter vessel of awareness (their attention becomes lighter and more fluid due to releasing SI). Then when they died, or chose to leave the world as a party, or even individually perhaps, their ap could be shifted to a different position, one that was blocked for the old seers due to the awareness they practiced and could not 'get beyond'?
World's longest question, lol. And the above is/has been my seeing. So seeing if I read you correctly in which case we are in agreement then.
So its easy to see how from the new seers we got recap, shutting off internal dialog, defeating the flyer, death as an adviser for inner change, etc. Because the new seers were concerned with avoiding the mistakes of the old seers, which were not about the eagle so much, but about how the old seers faced their death. The old seers approached it as an end all it seems, where as the new seers wanted to create a better future (beyond death) by changing to now, that was inner directed. The new seers saw that when they gave up certain thoughts, beliefs, habits, they became quite different, non-human almost (compared to those around them). Certainly more abstract then the old seers. This penchant for abstraction opened up new possibilities for them (Power being itself abstract). Bottom line is work must be done here and now. The present moment is the most important for its here we meet the future. Discipline and sacrifice are ways of new/modern seers. Old seers had discipline, but did not sacrifice ways of self so their discipline actually served furthering of a self, even if it was a highly developed sorceric self capable of great feats (2nd attention). For new/modern seers its the opposite. They disciplined themselves and shattered self reflection through their tenacious discipline. Then used that liberation within 2nd attention to venture out to new worlds.