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Sorcerer's Explanation reviewed
“They were men of great power, but they were not men of knowledge. They never broke the bounds of their enormous world views and thus they never arrived at the totality of themselves.” TOP,  DJ speaking of his benefactor and teacher.
“Here is where I varied from the tradition. After a lifelong struggle I know that what matters is not to learn a new description but to arrive at the totality of oneself.” DJ TOP
These two points are probably the most critical. These are the kind of things that get me asking questions. The kind of questioning that has led to this thread. Points worthy of deeper consideration.
Since at least 1723 I take it that DJ’s lineage had been forming nagual parties and leaving.
So what was it that these men of great power in DJ’s lineage, naguals included, what was it they missed? And why did they miss it or not arrive at it?
Then why did DJ deviate or vary from the tradition of his predecessors?
And what was the nature of his varying from tradition, how did it differ etc?
“After a lifelong struggle I know that what matters is not to learn a new description but to arrive at the totality of oneself.” DJ
Why did DJ’s predecessors not know this? (DJ does suggest that some of them did know about this but could not arrive at it.) Why did they just adopt a new description, that is the implication here? Can one not accept the new description of the sorcerer’s view AND arrive at the totality of one’s self? If not why not?
It does seem though that one can adopt the new description of a sorcerer’s view and leave with a nagual party though?! I mean that is what happened to the nagual parties of DJ's lineage, they left without arriving at the Totality of them selves, according to DJ.
BE RIGOROUS in examination.
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Sorcerer's Explanation reviewed - by lex icon - 04-16-2011, 12:00 AM
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