08-19-2014, 12:00 AM
Littlepaw wrote:I don't mean to presume to comprehend the full ins and outs of this conversation however something strikes me about communication in general which I would like to share and that is the fact that we have a view of the world. In Theun Mares books the preferred method of an aspiring man knowledge is to have no view in particular so I wonder what others on this forum feel about this. Again in Theuns books (my point of reference) Theun talks a great deal about how even Warriors make the mistake of confirming and strengthening their view of the world while claiming to be trying to shake it off.
In my experience I have noticed the way I used to talk to people from my view of the world and if they did not understand it always seemed as though I was right and they were wrong and in daily life this happens all the time and so i feel having a different view of the world is perhaps one of the most important subjects for apprentices to the warriors path.
Having a different view of the world, in my view, is like having slightly different rules to the same game. One thing I have struggled with is the fact that a view of the world is just a view and therefore can be no more or less valid than any other.
Theun certainly does have many many views of the world, and many of them are in fact incorrect as I have seen for myself. His view of sorcery and don Juan's lineage and teachings for example.
Also the goal of a man of knowledge to remove all views of the world would leave him not a man of knowledge but a man without knowledge. Make sense?
Many newbie warriors seek to remove their habitual awareness surely, yet the true goal of the warrior is freedom as well as enhancing awareness, expanding awareness, to hieghten awareness. This does not imply to erase awareness necesarily, but should apply to erasing the negative forms, limitations, self-importance and destructive knowledges.
Two aspects of awareness, in regards to sorcery teachings, state that we use the art of making cohesion of awareness and the art of achieving fluidity of awareness. Together they create many views of reality, many forms of reality, while not holding nor being fixated within any one place. But having the mobility to leave one place to enter into another. Very valid practice for achieving freedom of awareness. When developng and seeking cohesion of a new position we seek to strengthen the bonds, while leaving it behind we seek to remove the bonds. Warriors create inventories of the world, then leave them behind and laugh at them, to create another and so on, advancing and expanding in the process. Thus the eagles gift enhances awareness, enrichens life.
Yes I agree, many different positions of awareness, perspectives, and viewpoints of reality create infinite diversity and in infinite combinations. The true goal of the Eagle. His command. However some views are still incorrect or invalid. Maybe not for Theun who believes the warriors path does not lead to freedom, thus for him it will not lead to freedom, but for many others it does. It is his knowledge and intent that sets to this way. To say that it does not lead to freedom for others who see the path and set their intent to freedom is to spread his will onto others to deny their own path to freedom. Thereby his will and way does not support freedom for himself and for others, thus his will does not support the path for anyone. His teachings in my view do not lead to freedom therefor, and this to me is invalid, incorrect, and not better in any way then a view that leads to freedom.
In my experience I have noticed the way I used to talk to people from my view of the world and if they did not understand it always seemed as though I was right and they were wrong and in daily life this happens all the time and so i feel having a different view of the world is perhaps one of the most important subjects for apprentices to the warriors path.
Having a different view of the world, in my view, is like having slightly different rules to the same game. One thing I have struggled with is the fact that a view of the world is just a view and therefore can be no more or less valid than any other.
Theun certainly does have many many views of the world, and many of them are in fact incorrect as I have seen for myself. His view of sorcery and don Juan's lineage and teachings for example.
Also the goal of a man of knowledge to remove all views of the world would leave him not a man of knowledge but a man without knowledge. Make sense?
Many newbie warriors seek to remove their habitual awareness surely, yet the true goal of the warrior is freedom as well as enhancing awareness, expanding awareness, to hieghten awareness. This does not imply to erase awareness necesarily, but should apply to erasing the negative forms, limitations, self-importance and destructive knowledges.
Two aspects of awareness, in regards to sorcery teachings, state that we use the art of making cohesion of awareness and the art of achieving fluidity of awareness. Together they create many views of reality, many forms of reality, while not holding nor being fixated within any one place. But having the mobility to leave one place to enter into another. Very valid practice for achieving freedom of awareness. When developng and seeking cohesion of a new position we seek to strengthen the bonds, while leaving it behind we seek to remove the bonds. Warriors create inventories of the world, then leave them behind and laugh at them, to create another and so on, advancing and expanding in the process. Thus the eagles gift enhances awareness, enrichens life.
Yes I agree, many different positions of awareness, perspectives, and viewpoints of reality create infinite diversity and in infinite combinations. The true goal of the Eagle. His command. However some views are still incorrect or invalid. Maybe not for Theun who believes the warriors path does not lead to freedom, thus for him it will not lead to freedom, but for many others it does. It is his knowledge and intent that sets to this way. To say that it does not lead to freedom for others who see the path and set their intent to freedom is to spread his will onto others to deny their own path to freedom. Thereby his will and way does not support freedom for himself and for others, thus his will does not support the path for anyone. His teachings in my view do not lead to freedom therefor, and this to me is invalid, incorrect, and not better in any way then a view that leads to freedom.