04-14-2012, 12:00 AM
Littlepaw wrote:I have seen a few of these forums as I imagine have you all. The way i see it is that even if this was a knitting forum it would be comprised of a knitting party. A party of knitters who for some inexplicable reason were drawn together and by no accident. Knitters talk about knitting and warriors talk about whatever you guys talk about about. I actually belong to another Forum but for the time being I cannot be a part of it. You have probably heard me talk about Theun Mares. Most of the time when I mention him here or in any other Forums the general response is usually that he has never been of interest. A response which has always confused me but only because I originally wanted to tell more people on the Warriors path about him. I had assumed that because Theuns writing was a natural progression for me after reading CC that this would be true for others too. The only reason that it was a natural progression for me is because in CC's books the teaching is second hand where as in Theuns books it is first hand. Volume after volume he covers all the concepts in a direct, no fuss approach. he is not as funny as Don Juan but has his moments.
I have for long time been trying to remember what my motives were for participating in this forum and right or wrong this is it! Know that deep down i'll always think that Theun is worth reading and so my angle can be out in the open when you talk to me.
On his high horse,
Lea.Hi Ho Silver....Away!!!
Similar interests indeed, and there will be ranking, from the first time knitters, to the professional level, and folk all comparing their products to one another's, the usual cranks and so on. I guess the only difference is the product: knitting versus...what?
The "product" here, really is the self, the discovery of the true self, and perhaps for some, the exhilaration of just being that unique self, unfettered..
So, rather than compare our knitting to one another, we compare our "selves", with the inevitable ranking - "He is the most advanced..." "He is a noob..." etc...rather than Master Knitter, we have Nagual, and so on. But here's the difference, imo. With knitting, there is a tangible product all can see, feel, and evaluate: with selves, there IS nothing tangible, except perhaps words that get posted here, Tales of Power, tales of achievement, implications via arcane or esoteric essays, and so on...i.e., posturing, or posing. That's OK...some seems genuine, some not so much so...some aimed at being acknowledged or admired, some more genuinely helpful. In that regard, acting as a group, it functions well. When it comes, however, to forming a formal Nagual Party, there are two problems imo. First, is one of limitations. That is, the various roles for each of the members of the Party are defined, and therefore, limited. Second, I don't believe any group effort can accomplish anything for the self. That is, each bit of knitting is a unique piece and is the sole product of a single knitter. Likewise, an accomplished or achieved "self" is the sole product of a single being
"Each and every one must investigate on his own" from a Zen quip.
I have for long time been trying to remember what my motives were for participating in this forum and right or wrong this is it! Know that deep down i'll always think that Theun is worth reading and so my angle can be out in the open when you talk to me.
On his high horse,
Lea.Hi Ho Silver....Away!!!
Similar interests indeed, and there will be ranking, from the first time knitters, to the professional level, and folk all comparing their products to one another's, the usual cranks and so on. I guess the only difference is the product: knitting versus...what?
The "product" here, really is the self, the discovery of the true self, and perhaps for some, the exhilaration of just being that unique self, unfettered..
So, rather than compare our knitting to one another, we compare our "selves", with the inevitable ranking - "He is the most advanced..." "He is a noob..." etc...rather than Master Knitter, we have Nagual, and so on. But here's the difference, imo. With knitting, there is a tangible product all can see, feel, and evaluate: with selves, there IS nothing tangible, except perhaps words that get posted here, Tales of Power, tales of achievement, implications via arcane or esoteric essays, and so on...i.e., posturing, or posing. That's OK...some seems genuine, some not so much so...some aimed at being acknowledged or admired, some more genuinely helpful. In that regard, acting as a group, it functions well. When it comes, however, to forming a formal Nagual Party, there are two problems imo. First, is one of limitations. That is, the various roles for each of the members of the Party are defined, and therefore, limited. Second, I don't believe any group effort can accomplish anything for the self. That is, each bit of knitting is a unique piece and is the sole product of a single knitter. Likewise, an accomplished or achieved "self" is the sole product of a single being
"Each and every one must investigate on his own" from a Zen quip.