04-15-2012, 12:00 AM
Gonzo.
This indeed does seem to be the dilemma faced , perhaps the nagual did have to hook potential apprentices .
And when you refer to zen type enlightenment we also see this as a means to an end to it i imagine , however for some there might be something else , like an inkling to give and receive at a mutually running timespace , kind of like a family which forms outside of itself and could not have imagined its natural motion to act as a unit.
and yet would come together and remember .
This would feel as though their are two selves running of course possibly , one that is usual and plainly droning , and one unusual , one voice decisive , one voice indecisive , and the paradox being the one that seems decisive may be interpreted as "crazy" in its unusual nature and knowing.
The essential component which would discover its call to being may simply be , the thrill of development of a shared heart space , whereby being pushed beyond the limits of the ordinary self to unfold as much of the puzzle is possible . and the joy being the perfection of human beings who live it breath it and push it and share it.
this is my own individual point of view , and i do not assume it to represent others of traditional , except i personally, ideally push it to perfection only . Without a pefection
we see energy struggle . And it is called , realising the great perfection. blah di blah.
This indeed does seem to be the dilemma faced , perhaps the nagual did have to hook potential apprentices .
And when you refer to zen type enlightenment we also see this as a means to an end to it i imagine , however for some there might be something else , like an inkling to give and receive at a mutually running timespace , kind of like a family which forms outside of itself and could not have imagined its natural motion to act as a unit.
and yet would come together and remember .
This would feel as though their are two selves running of course possibly , one that is usual and plainly droning , and one unusual , one voice decisive , one voice indecisive , and the paradox being the one that seems decisive may be interpreted as "crazy" in its unusual nature and knowing.
The essential component which would discover its call to being may simply be , the thrill of development of a shared heart space , whereby being pushed beyond the limits of the ordinary self to unfold as much of the puzzle is possible . and the joy being the perfection of human beings who live it breath it and push it and share it.
this is my own individual point of view , and i do not assume it to represent others of traditional , except i personally, ideally push it to perfection only . Without a pefection
we see energy struggle . And it is called , realising the great perfection. blah di blah.