04-10-2011, 12:00 AM
Nu Lang wrote:Gonzo, yes, the ego must be overcome. When there is no ego, one does not care that they aren't anything. One is nothing. It is then they are the nagual. Every person who achieves this becomes the nagual.
I believe that what don Juan called "The Tonal" is what most people call the ego. It begins at birth and ends at death. It is made up of everything we can think of that we have experienced in this life. God is a part of the island of the tonal because most people's concept of God is not based on direct experience. It's based on a description that we are supposed to accept on faith. This makes "God" part of the island of the tonal/ego. So the island of the tonal is actually made up of WHAT WE THINK those things are. In fact, everything on the island of the tonal is equal in that it is equally an unfathomable mystery. The tonal has a way of taking the mystery out of everything because we are usually taught by those who have lost the sense of wonder and mystery that life truly is
I believe that what don Juan called "The Tonal" is what most people call the ego. It begins at birth and ends at death. It is made up of everything we can think of that we have experienced in this life. God is a part of the island of the tonal because most people's concept of God is not based on direct experience. It's based on a description that we are supposed to accept on faith. This makes "God" part of the island of the tonal/ego. So the island of the tonal is actually made up of WHAT WE THINK those things are. In fact, everything on the island of the tonal is equal in that it is equally an unfathomable mystery. The tonal has a way of taking the mystery out of everything because we are usually taught by those who have lost the sense of wonder and mystery that life truly is