10-08-2010, 12:00 AM
Are me and others actually meeting Don Juan in dreams? You decide. I'll post a few dreams from myself and Raven knight. Raven has never read through a castaneda book, and yet she nails Don Juan down amazingly.
My dream:
Don Juan Describes Initiating an apprenticeship
I am with don juan. I can't really recall where we had this discussion:
DJ: Tell me about the man you met.
Me: Weeks ago I had seen a psychic, Someone who can see spirits. She
told me I would go to a place called Pine lake, and that there, I would
meet a mentor. I wasn't sure what she meant by mentor, that could be
anything, money managing, music or anything else... My last guess was
that he would have been that he would be a sorcerer. I had no idea what
pine lake was at the time she had told me,but nonetheless my brother
invited me there a few days later, That was something which was
impossible for me to ignore.
Dj: You followed that action without question then?
Me: Yes, That is until I saw him. When I saw him I KNEW he was the man
I was supposed to meet, But I wasn't sure. I Hesitated before even
talking to him.
Don juan then hit me on the back. We were now floating over a familiar
scene, which looked like a dream representation of the campground, many
details and places were out of place, but nonetheless it was the same.
I saw myself sitting on a bench at an outside cafeteria, close by were
some doors leading into a music hall, on the other side was a short
hill leading down towards two baseball diamonds where a couple baseball
games were going on. I was seated on the lower seat, and sitting up
higher on the bench and resting his feet on the lower seat was a man
with long black hair, tied in a ponytail. He was dark skinned, He could
have been any number of races. Don juan said that he looked almost like
and ancient meso american indian. I corrected Don Juan as to the man's
supposed true race. Don Juan said that I myself have read some of that
races mythological beliefs and that some of it lined up uncannily with
his lineages knowledge. He said either Casteneda had read those beliefs
and put forgeries into his books, or that the two races weren't two
races, they had an ancestral heritage. He then mentioned that the
people of old, before the age of reason, Traveled to every continent on
earth and settled in many places, Including entire lineages of
sorcerers. We watched the scene some more, Eventually I got up and
walked away.
DJ: Why did you leave him sitting there, when you knew he was the man you were supposed to meet?
Me: I wasn't sure. It was a flight response, I didn't realize it at the
time, but in the back of my mind was "Is this REALLY REAL?"
Dj: You should not have hesitated to approach him. Such hesitation could mean life or death in an act of sorcery.
We coninuted watching the scene as it shifted. I was back at the bench
by myself watching the man who was inside the entertainment hall. He
was walking and and a dog brushed up to him.
Me: I remember that! Before the dog came I was just thinking he was the one whom I was supposed to meet.
Dj: That was your omen, and yet, you just sat there. It was an omen for him as well in his own way.
Then scene shifted again, This time I was walking out of the music hall
and the man sat on a farther bench, He was calling to a small black dog
that looked like a cross between a black lab and a weiner dog, But the
dog ran to me instead and I bent down and petted it.
DJ: That was his second omen.
Me: I knew it was for him as well.
DJ: Then it was an omen for you as well, and yet you still didn't approach him.
The scene shifted, to me standing close to the stage in the hall
watching a band, and the man behind me roughyl 10 feet away. He kept
looking at me. My energy body reacted and sprouted wings... but they
weren't wings, more like tentacles that came from my back where wings
would be.
DJ: He was seeing you then, You put on a display for him and he caught it, you had him more than intrigued at that point.
The Scene shifted to a merely empty hall in between bands. I finally
approached the man and sat down beside him. As if on cue a black dog
approached me, I petted it and said to myself "well, aren't you the
messenger?" The man then laughed. and we began a dull conversation. I
then meekly told him the story of why I was there. The man looked
shocked, and then changed the subject. I excused myself saying I was
going to my campsite. He walked with me until we came to the point
where the main camping area was, which was downhill. My camp was on the
other end behind the baseball diamond. When i continued walking the man
looked confused as to my leaving
DJ: You are much like Carlos used to be when I first began to teach
him. All this time the man thought you were a Sorcerer like him,
because he thought you could see. He saw all the omens of you being a
Nagual, the dogs and your display of control over your own energy body,
He even heard you mention why you were there and who you were supposed
to meet, and then he knew he was going to be an integral part of that.
Much of what was said in your conversation was meaningless, by then the
Nagual had taken control of the situation. He thought you could see, he
was going to give you a demonstration of what he knew... and then you
left. And that baffled him, Much like I was baffled when mescalito took
a liking to Carlos... Here was an **** insisting on an overindulgence
in talking to himself, and constantly anylising everything to the point
of nausea, and yet mescalito played with carlos like they were
childhood friends. That's how baffled that man was, at an **** over
indulging in hesitation, even inspite of the fact that the spirit is
screaming Omens and trying to get him to act.
Again The scene shifted. In the scene i had mustered up the courage to
confront the man, I was standing at the other doors to the hall
mingling with people, and then looking over at the man a few times,
letting him know that I was ready. The man left the building, while I
was still talking to him. He then turned around and looked at me for a
second until I noticed him. He began walking further as I followed
behind him.
DJ: He was trying to grab your attention with his eyes, he wanted you to follow him for sure this time.
The man walked down a small hill into a valley where most of the
camping took place. He quickened his pace to his campground, sat down
by the fire and kept to himself, he seemed to be focusing on something.
I followed down the hill a mere seconds after looking for him, I
wandered close to his campground only separated by.... nothing. In my
memory there was a trailer, but in the scene were was none there. A
sleeping dog got up and walked in my direction. It stopped and faced
me. It's actions were very deliberate. It gazed at me, I stopped in my
tracks, backed up a step or too and looked again. The dodg shiften out
of sight and came back again, Then I leaned forward slightly, eyes wide
and said a low "WOOOOW!" I then turned and walked away.
DJ: That's what what he came to do. He knew the spirit had pointed you
out to him, but that you needed to be pushed. He sensed that you were
unsure of the encounter, so he had to act fast before he left. He had
to hook you, and that's what he did. He Used his intent to shift your
assemblage point, and then he used his double to inhabit the dog.
You've heard of Lonewolf speak of similar things when he talks about
using the assemblage point of a coyote, and how a coyote will lend it's
body to someone willing to shape shift into it's form. Although, there
is no real shape shifting involved, The dog lent itself to that man,
just like your dream body lends itself to your awareness, or can lend
itself to any other dreamer. You know all this of course, but haven't
articulated it yet, but you will.
Me: Did he hook me like you hooked carlos?
DJ: ina sense yes he did, But, he wasn't as aware of exactly what he
was doing as when I was when I had to hook Carlos. The Nagual has a
funny way of making sorcerers dance with one another, All participants
are sure they know what they are doing while they are doing it, and yet
the nagual guides their every move. In order for that to happen, they
have to make themselves available to it. One way is following omens or
signs of the spirit, which is what you both did. From that point on,
the Nagual was running the show and palying you two baffoons like
puppets to do it's will.
Me: He seemed pretty controlled of his actions to me, and he acted witha precision I have never seen anyone else on earth do.
DJ: yes, It may appear so, but that only means he has a cleaner
connection to the spirit than you. He calls the Nagual or sppirit with
different words. He will teach you them someday.
Me: If he does, we barely have any way to contact one another again.
DJ: Power Provides. Both of you are hooked into something now which is
hard to escape from. Both of you have the intent to meet again. He may
deny it to himself right now, in the same way in which you hesitated,
but eventually you two will have to meet again, it's inescapable right
now.
Me: Why did you call him a baffoon.
DJ: He was only a lot better than you at covering up his hesitations
and doubts, He's been trained to do this in his spirtual practice, He's
a baffoon because he's not 100% sure of himself, just like you are not
100% sure of yourself. I suppose that's why you two are well matched.
But still He made himself available to the sppirit and he served as a
catalyst for it to descend on you, That's his advantage over you. That
is what you may have learn from him someday. If he ever teaches it. The
only thing you can do for now is set your intent to meet him again, but
Ultimately he decides whether or not you will meet again, He still has
the power of choice whether to ignore the spirit or act with it. In a
way he is hooked too.
Me: I am definitely hooked. I can't get my encounter with him out of my
mind. and Now I see signs of the Nagual wherever I turn.
DJ: That's good then, You are oing your part. You should that hope he does as well.
the next few posts are from raven's dreams.
My dream:
Don Juan Describes Initiating an apprenticeship
I am with don juan. I can't really recall where we had this discussion:
DJ: Tell me about the man you met.
Me: Weeks ago I had seen a psychic, Someone who can see spirits. She
told me I would go to a place called Pine lake, and that there, I would
meet a mentor. I wasn't sure what she meant by mentor, that could be
anything, money managing, music or anything else... My last guess was
that he would have been that he would be a sorcerer. I had no idea what
pine lake was at the time she had told me,but nonetheless my brother
invited me there a few days later, That was something which was
impossible for me to ignore.
Dj: You followed that action without question then?
Me: Yes, That is until I saw him. When I saw him I KNEW he was the man
I was supposed to meet, But I wasn't sure. I Hesitated before even
talking to him.
Don juan then hit me on the back. We were now floating over a familiar
scene, which looked like a dream representation of the campground, many
details and places were out of place, but nonetheless it was the same.
I saw myself sitting on a bench at an outside cafeteria, close by were
some doors leading into a music hall, on the other side was a short
hill leading down towards two baseball diamonds where a couple baseball
games were going on. I was seated on the lower seat, and sitting up
higher on the bench and resting his feet on the lower seat was a man
with long black hair, tied in a ponytail. He was dark skinned, He could
have been any number of races. Don juan said that he looked almost like
and ancient meso american indian. I corrected Don Juan as to the man's
supposed true race. Don Juan said that I myself have read some of that
races mythological beliefs and that some of it lined up uncannily with
his lineages knowledge. He said either Casteneda had read those beliefs
and put forgeries into his books, or that the two races weren't two
races, they had an ancestral heritage. He then mentioned that the
people of old, before the age of reason, Traveled to every continent on
earth and settled in many places, Including entire lineages of
sorcerers. We watched the scene some more, Eventually I got up and
walked away.
DJ: Why did you leave him sitting there, when you knew he was the man you were supposed to meet?
Me: I wasn't sure. It was a flight response, I didn't realize it at the
time, but in the back of my mind was "Is this REALLY REAL?"
Dj: You should not have hesitated to approach him. Such hesitation could mean life or death in an act of sorcery.
We coninuted watching the scene as it shifted. I was back at the bench
by myself watching the man who was inside the entertainment hall. He
was walking and and a dog brushed up to him.
Me: I remember that! Before the dog came I was just thinking he was the one whom I was supposed to meet.
Dj: That was your omen, and yet, you just sat there. It was an omen for him as well in his own way.
Then scene shifted again, This time I was walking out of the music hall
and the man sat on a farther bench, He was calling to a small black dog
that looked like a cross between a black lab and a weiner dog, But the
dog ran to me instead and I bent down and petted it.
DJ: That was his second omen.
Me: I knew it was for him as well.
DJ: Then it was an omen for you as well, and yet you still didn't approach him.
The scene shifted, to me standing close to the stage in the hall
watching a band, and the man behind me roughyl 10 feet away. He kept
looking at me. My energy body reacted and sprouted wings... but they
weren't wings, more like tentacles that came from my back where wings
would be.
DJ: He was seeing you then, You put on a display for him and he caught it, you had him more than intrigued at that point.
The Scene shifted to a merely empty hall in between bands. I finally
approached the man and sat down beside him. As if on cue a black dog
approached me, I petted it and said to myself "well, aren't you the
messenger?" The man then laughed. and we began a dull conversation. I
then meekly told him the story of why I was there. The man looked
shocked, and then changed the subject. I excused myself saying I was
going to my campsite. He walked with me until we came to the point
where the main camping area was, which was downhill. My camp was on the
other end behind the baseball diamond. When i continued walking the man
looked confused as to my leaving
DJ: You are much like Carlos used to be when I first began to teach
him. All this time the man thought you were a Sorcerer like him,
because he thought you could see. He saw all the omens of you being a
Nagual, the dogs and your display of control over your own energy body,
He even heard you mention why you were there and who you were supposed
to meet, and then he knew he was going to be an integral part of that.
Much of what was said in your conversation was meaningless, by then the
Nagual had taken control of the situation. He thought you could see, he
was going to give you a demonstration of what he knew... and then you
left. And that baffled him, Much like I was baffled when mescalito took
a liking to Carlos... Here was an **** insisting on an overindulgence
in talking to himself, and constantly anylising everything to the point
of nausea, and yet mescalito played with carlos like they were
childhood friends. That's how baffled that man was, at an **** over
indulging in hesitation, even inspite of the fact that the spirit is
screaming Omens and trying to get him to act.
Again The scene shifted. In the scene i had mustered up the courage to
confront the man, I was standing at the other doors to the hall
mingling with people, and then looking over at the man a few times,
letting him know that I was ready. The man left the building, while I
was still talking to him. He then turned around and looked at me for a
second until I noticed him. He began walking further as I followed
behind him.
DJ: He was trying to grab your attention with his eyes, he wanted you to follow him for sure this time.
The man walked down a small hill into a valley where most of the
camping took place. He quickened his pace to his campground, sat down
by the fire and kept to himself, he seemed to be focusing on something.
I followed down the hill a mere seconds after looking for him, I
wandered close to his campground only separated by.... nothing. In my
memory there was a trailer, but in the scene were was none there. A
sleeping dog got up and walked in my direction. It stopped and faced
me. It's actions were very deliberate. It gazed at me, I stopped in my
tracks, backed up a step or too and looked again. The dodg shiften out
of sight and came back again, Then I leaned forward slightly, eyes wide
and said a low "WOOOOW!" I then turned and walked away.
DJ: That's what what he came to do. He knew the spirit had pointed you
out to him, but that you needed to be pushed. He sensed that you were
unsure of the encounter, so he had to act fast before he left. He had
to hook you, and that's what he did. He Used his intent to shift your
assemblage point, and then he used his double to inhabit the dog.
You've heard of Lonewolf speak of similar things when he talks about
using the assemblage point of a coyote, and how a coyote will lend it's
body to someone willing to shape shift into it's form. Although, there
is no real shape shifting involved, The dog lent itself to that man,
just like your dream body lends itself to your awareness, or can lend
itself to any other dreamer. You know all this of course, but haven't
articulated it yet, but you will.
Me: Did he hook me like you hooked carlos?
DJ: ina sense yes he did, But, he wasn't as aware of exactly what he
was doing as when I was when I had to hook Carlos. The Nagual has a
funny way of making sorcerers dance with one another, All participants
are sure they know what they are doing while they are doing it, and yet
the nagual guides their every move. In order for that to happen, they
have to make themselves available to it. One way is following omens or
signs of the spirit, which is what you both did. From that point on,
the Nagual was running the show and palying you two baffoons like
puppets to do it's will.
Me: He seemed pretty controlled of his actions to me, and he acted witha precision I have never seen anyone else on earth do.
DJ: yes, It may appear so, but that only means he has a cleaner
connection to the spirit than you. He calls the Nagual or sppirit with
different words. He will teach you them someday.
Me: If he does, we barely have any way to contact one another again.
DJ: Power Provides. Both of you are hooked into something now which is
hard to escape from. Both of you have the intent to meet again. He may
deny it to himself right now, in the same way in which you hesitated,
but eventually you two will have to meet again, it's inescapable right
now.
Me: Why did you call him a baffoon.
DJ: He was only a lot better than you at covering up his hesitations
and doubts, He's been trained to do this in his spirtual practice, He's
a baffoon because he's not 100% sure of himself, just like you are not
100% sure of yourself. I suppose that's why you two are well matched.
But still He made himself available to the sppirit and he served as a
catalyst for it to descend on you, That's his advantage over you. That
is what you may have learn from him someday. If he ever teaches it. The
only thing you can do for now is set your intent to meet him again, but
Ultimately he decides whether or not you will meet again, He still has
the power of choice whether to ignore the spirit or act with it. In a
way he is hooked too.
Me: I am definitely hooked. I can't get my encounter with him out of my
mind. and Now I see signs of the Nagual wherever I turn.
DJ: That's good then, You are oing your part. You should that hope he does as well.
the next few posts are from raven's dreams.