08-29-2008, 12:00 AM
grandspeculator
wrote:
Sidarthur
Prospero wrote:
Silvio Manuel inspired no great admiration, as don Juan did. He mostly inspired fear from everyone of the apprentices. That says all I
need to know about Silvio Manuel. I say that only a fool would actually want to know him.
I don't think he intended to inspire fear in the apprentices. He was feared because of his power, but I don't remember anyone being a
victim of his doings. Don Juan planned the assassination of Carlos with Doña Soledad and he is, to the eyes of the speculators, a wise, loving individual
worthy of emulation. He also killed a man with a single hit under the influence of the Devil's weed and who knows what else. Apart of his knowledge, what
was nice about him?
Those are all good points. I think this same theme is well explored in Florinda Donner's book, The Witch's Dream. It's spiritual
pragmatism, similar to the perspective of Aleister Crowley, in my opinion. Not very fluffy, but more honest than mainstream religions. This topic hits on
something I've been looking at recently, how different energy-bodies are perceived as inherently positive or negative. Here's how I think it sorts
out: Tonal-waking-self is positive, Tonal-dreaming-self is negative, Nagual-waking-self is negative and Nagual-dreaming-self is positive. So, the
"fun" part of nagualism is really the "nagual's dream", the rest is scary.
wrote:
Sidarthur
Prospero wrote:
Silvio Manuel inspired no great admiration, as don Juan did. He mostly inspired fear from everyone of the apprentices. That says all I
need to know about Silvio Manuel. I say that only a fool would actually want to know him.
I don't think he intended to inspire fear in the apprentices. He was feared because of his power, but I don't remember anyone being a
victim of his doings. Don Juan planned the assassination of Carlos with Doña Soledad and he is, to the eyes of the speculators, a wise, loving individual
worthy of emulation. He also killed a man with a single hit under the influence of the Devil's weed and who knows what else. Apart of his knowledge, what
was nice about him?
Those are all good points. I think this same theme is well explored in Florinda Donner's book, The Witch's Dream. It's spiritual
pragmatism, similar to the perspective of Aleister Crowley, in my opinion. Not very fluffy, but more honest than mainstream religions. This topic hits on
something I've been looking at recently, how different energy-bodies are perceived as inherently positive or negative. Here's how I think it sorts
out: Tonal-waking-self is positive, Tonal-dreaming-self is negative, Nagual-waking-self is negative and Nagual-dreaming-self is positive. So, the
"fun" part of nagualism is really the "nagual's dream", the rest is scary.