08-09-2007, 12:00 AM
Thanks everyone.
Lilly:
Nice to meet you!
I too share the wish to keep Wolf's boards going too.
Wolf:
Lots of good questions there, each of them deserves it's own topic. I think you've seeded the board real good.
Thought for the Day:
Quote:My heart burns like fire but my eyes are as cold as dead ashes.. -- Soyen Shaku
Bob:
I used to be a Kundalini Yogi a long time ago and I suffered greatly for it, like your teacher. Believe me I know how bad it hurts I'm laughing now. In some ways going through that private hell taught me a lot experiencially about how to go about healing the psyche.
None of the stuff I do involves the manipulation of Kundalini. So let me just say, that when I speak about Awareness, I mean Awareness, Rigpa, a Tibetan Buddhist term, for non-dualistic Awareness, not Kundalini. Perhaps we can have a discussion about it.
I think if you deal with Mindfulness and awareness there is real no danger. It's only when people use vigorous breath exercises and start moving energy around consciously.
Tai Chi and Hatha Yoga are pretty safe as long as you stay within certain limits, can be quite beneficial.
The problem with Awareness is that it's easy to get a wrong idea, and thus a wrong habit started. Wrong views can of course be damaging.
My experience with techniques like Vipasanna (Mindfulness) is that they are power healing techniques as well and can go long way to bring about what I would call a deep integration of the psyche. It can heal most of the damage caused by stress, drug use, addictions, trauma, negative karma, former lives, childhood trauma, all of that.
So do we get remade? ... yes. We don't know who we are or what we will become, do we?
As Chorella states
Quote:the intensity of not knowing every moment as a moment is what the Fire from within is about
Absolutely, if we can enter the "Cloud of Unknowing" and literally put "the known" on hold for a moment then we can meet the unknowable Self, our Real Self who is an absolute and unknowable mystery.
Not knowing, or as Zen Master Seung Sahn called "Don't Know Mind" is an essential factor.
Because you see when we ask "What is the truth ... " and if we answer truthfully "I don't know", we are being fundamentally honest. Then experientially we open a little crack for the truth to come into the facade, the sham of our paltry, doomed existence.
This blunt honesty with oneself, is also a requisite.
If we do succeed in "getting Here" ... we are some place, experiencing something that's tough to talk about ..
but ... then after all that ... our old friend, the egoic apparatus, will come back of course. But it will be slightly less convincing ... and slightly less scary as well, perhaps our old friend. We even feel a little sorry for it ... I do ...
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But I'm not by any means an expert, the real experts are the Tibetan Buddhist masters of Dzogchen and Mahamudra, and other Masters of a number of different traditions (like Carlos!) These are people who've spent lifetimes studying this stuff.
They've not only been up the mountain, but they've been up it many times and they can actually speak skillfully and coherently about it. That is so cool!!!
It's such a blessing for me personally to share it.
See it's really not a mystery at all, it's just hidden in plain sight.
Lilly:
Nice to meet you!
I too share the wish to keep Wolf's boards going too.
Wolf:
Lots of good questions there, each of them deserves it's own topic. I think you've seeded the board real good.
Thought for the Day:
Quote:My heart burns like fire but my eyes are as cold as dead ashes.. -- Soyen Shaku
Bob:
I used to be a Kundalini Yogi a long time ago and I suffered greatly for it, like your teacher. Believe me I know how bad it hurts I'm laughing now. In some ways going through that private hell taught me a lot experiencially about how to go about healing the psyche.
None of the stuff I do involves the manipulation of Kundalini. So let me just say, that when I speak about Awareness, I mean Awareness, Rigpa, a Tibetan Buddhist term, for non-dualistic Awareness, not Kundalini. Perhaps we can have a discussion about it.
I think if you deal with Mindfulness and awareness there is real no danger. It's only when people use vigorous breath exercises and start moving energy around consciously.
Tai Chi and Hatha Yoga are pretty safe as long as you stay within certain limits, can be quite beneficial.
The problem with Awareness is that it's easy to get a wrong idea, and thus a wrong habit started. Wrong views can of course be damaging.
My experience with techniques like Vipasanna (Mindfulness) is that they are power healing techniques as well and can go long way to bring about what I would call a deep integration of the psyche. It can heal most of the damage caused by stress, drug use, addictions, trauma, negative karma, former lives, childhood trauma, all of that.
So do we get remade? ... yes. We don't know who we are or what we will become, do we?
As Chorella states
Quote:the intensity of not knowing every moment as a moment is what the Fire from within is about
Absolutely, if we can enter the "Cloud of Unknowing" and literally put "the known" on hold for a moment then we can meet the unknowable Self, our Real Self who is an absolute and unknowable mystery.
Not knowing, or as Zen Master Seung Sahn called "Don't Know Mind" is an essential factor.
Because you see when we ask "What is the truth ... " and if we answer truthfully "I don't know", we are being fundamentally honest. Then experientially we open a little crack for the truth to come into the facade, the sham of our paltry, doomed existence.
This blunt honesty with oneself, is also a requisite.
If we do succeed in "getting Here" ... we are some place, experiencing something that's tough to talk about ..
but ... then after all that ... our old friend, the egoic apparatus, will come back of course. But it will be slightly less convincing ... and slightly less scary as well, perhaps our old friend. We even feel a little sorry for it ... I do ...
---
But I'm not by any means an expert, the real experts are the Tibetan Buddhist masters of Dzogchen and Mahamudra, and other Masters of a number of different traditions (like Carlos!) These are people who've spent lifetimes studying this stuff.
They've not only been up the mountain, but they've been up it many times and they can actually speak skillfully and coherently about it. That is so cool!!!
It's such a blessing for me personally to share it.
See it's really not a mystery at all, it's just hidden in plain sight.