06-08-2007, 12:00 AM
Quote:"It was the instruction in times when Castaneda was an
apprentice. I'm sure he was also instructed not to talk
under any circumstances
about flyers at that time."
*****
How can you be sure if CC wrote stuff directly contradicting what you assume here?
what stuff did he wrote that contradicts it ? I'm aware of none, but there sure may be something I missed.
Quote:I heartily counsel you against sort of having a grasp on what's in the books and then declaring you've seen what's what.
Did I do that ? everything here are my personal opinions. I do not declare what's what.
Quote:Clearly you are taking liberty with what CC wrote and interjecting a personal agenda, whether or not you're aware of it.
So you do, so everybody does. you have your agenda and I have mine.
Quote:Irrelevant to whom?
to me of course. I'm not talking for anybody else.
Quote:I was quoting from Magical Passes, word for word. Have you decided also that what CC wrote was erroneous? That don Juan was talking out of his ass?
so you're now "word for word" warrior.
DJ played many tricks on CC, you cannot take them
all "word for word". When you tell 5 year old child
he cannot "under no circumstatnces" open the door
to anyone, do yo think you have to apply this
rule when you're twenty of more ? Are you
suggesting he should blindly repeat everything
he was taught ad nauseum? what kind of warrior would he be then ?
Quote:Carlos Castaneda was not an impeccable sorcerer. This must be kept in mind. One of his glaring aberrations was a lust for personal granduer. Early on when he was in seclusion, he seemed to still feel the influence of don Juan's impeccability. But as time went on and riches kept flowing in from his books, he reverted back to his crappy self and went against the suggestions of his master, under the influence of the FI that was never eradicated from his own life. Part of that FI was the notion instilled in him that he was just a "small brown man", in a world of more powerful anglos. This gnawed at his impeccability until it took the driver's seat.
That is something not assembled in a book, but is easily seen from reading quotes, eyewitness accounts and finally in reading the intro of Magical Passes wherein he flatly states that he is diverting from the impeccable path of his predecessor, don Juan, and "doing things his own way".
OMG. I cannot believe what I just read.
you had to be too long on Sustained Reaction site.
seems they are doing a great job.
you-only-live-twice quote:
But what does Castaneda do during the day?
Talks to the crazy apes. For now, anyway---in private homes, ballet studios, bookstores. They make pilgrimages from the world over: icons of New Awareness past, present, and future, energy groupies, shrinks and shamans, lawyers, Deadheads, drummers, debunkers and lucid dreamers, scholars, socialites and seducers, channelers, meditators and moguls, even lovers and cronies "from 10,000 years ago." Furious note takers come, junior naguals in the making. Some will write books about him; the lazier ones, chapters. Others will give seminars---that is, for a fee. "They come to listen for a few hours, "he says, "and the next weekend they are giving lectures on Castaneda. That's the ape." He stands before them hours at a time enticing and exhorting their energy bodies," and the effect is hot and cold all at once, like dry ice. With numinous finesse, he wrests savage tales of freedom and power like scarves from the empty funnel---moving, elegant, obscene, hilarious, bloodcurdling, and surgically precise. Ask me anything! comes the entreaty. What would you like to know?
apprentice. I'm sure he was also instructed not to talk
under any circumstances
about flyers at that time."
*****
How can you be sure if CC wrote stuff directly contradicting what you assume here?
what stuff did he wrote that contradicts it ? I'm aware of none, but there sure may be something I missed.
Quote:I heartily counsel you against sort of having a grasp on what's in the books and then declaring you've seen what's what.
Did I do that ? everything here are my personal opinions. I do not declare what's what.
Quote:Clearly you are taking liberty with what CC wrote and interjecting a personal agenda, whether or not you're aware of it.
So you do, so everybody does. you have your agenda and I have mine.
Quote:Irrelevant to whom?
to me of course. I'm not talking for anybody else.
Quote:I was quoting from Magical Passes, word for word. Have you decided also that what CC wrote was erroneous? That don Juan was talking out of his ass?
so you're now "word for word" warrior.
DJ played many tricks on CC, you cannot take them
all "word for word". When you tell 5 year old child
he cannot "under no circumstatnces" open the door
to anyone, do yo think you have to apply this
rule when you're twenty of more ? Are you
suggesting he should blindly repeat everything
he was taught ad nauseum? what kind of warrior would he be then ?
Quote:Carlos Castaneda was not an impeccable sorcerer. This must be kept in mind. One of his glaring aberrations was a lust for personal granduer. Early on when he was in seclusion, he seemed to still feel the influence of don Juan's impeccability. But as time went on and riches kept flowing in from his books, he reverted back to his crappy self and went against the suggestions of his master, under the influence of the FI that was never eradicated from his own life. Part of that FI was the notion instilled in him that he was just a "small brown man", in a world of more powerful anglos. This gnawed at his impeccability until it took the driver's seat.
That is something not assembled in a book, but is easily seen from reading quotes, eyewitness accounts and finally in reading the intro of Magical Passes wherein he flatly states that he is diverting from the impeccable path of his predecessor, don Juan, and "doing things his own way".
OMG. I cannot believe what I just read.
you had to be too long on Sustained Reaction site.
seems they are doing a great job.
you-only-live-twice quote:
But what does Castaneda do during the day?
Talks to the crazy apes. For now, anyway---in private homes, ballet studios, bookstores. They make pilgrimages from the world over: icons of New Awareness past, present, and future, energy groupies, shrinks and shamans, lawyers, Deadheads, drummers, debunkers and lucid dreamers, scholars, socialites and seducers, channelers, meditators and moguls, even lovers and cronies "from 10,000 years ago." Furious note takers come, junior naguals in the making. Some will write books about him; the lazier ones, chapters. Others will give seminars---that is, for a fee. "They come to listen for a few hours, "he says, "and the next weekend they are giving lectures on Castaneda. That's the ape." He stands before them hours at a time enticing and exhorting their energy bodies," and the effect is hot and cold all at once, like dry ice. With numinous finesse, he wrests savage tales of freedom and power like scarves from the empty funnel---moving, elegant, obscene, hilarious, bloodcurdling, and surgically precise. Ask me anything! comes the entreaty. What would you like to know?