12-19-2008, 12:00 AM
dreamways wrote:
He was a goldmine of information really, but not everyone wants to know the truth about themselves or anything else.
That's my point. They approached the nagual with no will to change. They didn't want the truth. Castaneda's stupidity in this matter
was trying to give truth to someone who doesn't want it.
Don Juan: Volunteers are not welcome in the sorcerers' world, because they already
have a purpose of their own, which makes it particularly hard for them to relinquish their individuality. If the sorcerers' world demands ideas and
actions contrary to the volunteers' purpose, volunteers simply refuse to change.
In the end they all felt raped and abused. Some of them were, but it's their responsibility. They were ambitious
tonals, not awakening
naguals.
If your intent is not freedom, the result won't be freedom.
PS: As you know and did enlighten us in the matter, not all of Castaneda's students were fuck ups. Howard Lee learned the ways and was mature enough to
avoid being dragged into Castaneda's indulgent ****. One could say the same about Don Juan. The Nagual Julian was a warrior and a sorceror, but he
wasn't a seer. Don Juan out grew him.
He was a goldmine of information really, but not everyone wants to know the truth about themselves or anything else.
That's my point. They approached the nagual with no will to change. They didn't want the truth. Castaneda's stupidity in this matter
was trying to give truth to someone who doesn't want it.
Don Juan: Volunteers are not welcome in the sorcerers' world, because they already
have a purpose of their own, which makes it particularly hard for them to relinquish their individuality. If the sorcerers' world demands ideas and
actions contrary to the volunteers' purpose, volunteers simply refuse to change.
In the end they all felt raped and abused. Some of them were, but it's their responsibility. They were ambitious
tonals, not awakening
naguals.
If your intent is not freedom, the result won't be freedom.
PS: As you know and did enlighten us in the matter, not all of Castaneda's students were fuck ups. Howard Lee learned the ways and was mature enough to
avoid being dragged into Castaneda's indulgent ****. One could say the same about Don Juan. The Nagual Julian was a warrior and a sorceror, but he
wasn't a seer. Don Juan out grew him.