12-19-2008, 12:00 AM
grandspeculator wrote:
dreamways wrote:
He was a goldmine of information really, but not everyone wants to know the truth about themselves or anything else.
That's my point. They approached the nagual with no will to change. They didn't want the truth. Castaneda's stupidity
in this matter was trying to give truth to someone who doesn't want it.
Don Juan: Volunteers are not welcome in the sorcerers' world, because they already
have a purpose of their own, which makes it particularly hard for them to relinquish their individuality. If the sorcerers' world demands ideas and
actions contrary to the volunteers' purpose, volunteers simply refuse to change.
In the end they all felt raped and abused. Some of them were, but it's their responsibility. They were ambitious
tonals, notawakening
naguals.
If your intent is not freedom, the result won't be freedom.
PS: As you know and did enlighten us in the matter, not all of Castaneda's students were fuck ups. Howard Lee learned the ways and was mature enough to
avoid being dragged into Castaneda's indulgent ****. One could say the same about Don Juan. The Nagual Julian was a warrior and a sorceror, but he
wasn't a seer. Don Juan out grew him.
Now, to unveil the biggest kick in the ass of all, just keep in mind that it was Carlos who presented everything that he, don Juan and Julian said
and did. The center of the entire story is don Juan, somebody who had a disdain for both humans and inorganic beings, both of god's creations, and
didn't believe in god either. But, everybody seems to think that he is the "good guy" in the story. Not even close.
dreamways wrote:
He was a goldmine of information really, but not everyone wants to know the truth about themselves or anything else.
That's my point. They approached the nagual with no will to change. They didn't want the truth. Castaneda's stupidity
in this matter was trying to give truth to someone who doesn't want it.
Don Juan: Volunteers are not welcome in the sorcerers' world, because they already
have a purpose of their own, which makes it particularly hard for them to relinquish their individuality. If the sorcerers' world demands ideas and
actions contrary to the volunteers' purpose, volunteers simply refuse to change.
In the end they all felt raped and abused. Some of them were, but it's their responsibility. They were ambitious
tonals, notawakening
naguals.
If your intent is not freedom, the result won't be freedom.
PS: As you know and did enlighten us in the matter, not all of Castaneda's students were fuck ups. Howard Lee learned the ways and was mature enough to
avoid being dragged into Castaneda's indulgent ****. One could say the same about Don Juan. The Nagual Julian was a warrior and a sorceror, but he
wasn't a seer. Don Juan out grew him.
Now, to unveil the biggest kick in the ass of all, just keep in mind that it was Carlos who presented everything that he, don Juan and Julian said
and did. The center of the entire story is don Juan, somebody who had a disdain for both humans and inorganic beings, both of god's creations, and
didn't believe in god either. But, everybody seems to think that he is the "good guy" in the story. Not even close.