01-02-2012, 12:01 AM
Hawkeye Crow wrote:
When examined from the humanform perspective, most things that humans call "evil" fall under the heading of something they themselves do not agree with. To a Christian, the "devil" is evil. To an anarchist, government is evil. And so it goes. The thing itself (devil or government - heh - perhaps the same thing) is neither good nor evil, but will be labeled according to one's experience/perception of it.
or this:
Power is a point of view.
Well, what can I say, quantums
It is true that the Nagual supports what has been said here, and it is a good lesson, yet, I don't see it as an approach to survival.
If , for instance, someone is applying electic current to my genitals, I doubt if I can be dispassionate. Perhaps it is foolish to think about 'evil' in such a case, but, I will surely be thinking about the ENEMY!
Don Juan most specifically noted the 'Flyers' as an enemy, a predator to be avoided at all costs.
So, morality?
We all, whatever our orientations, have a sense of morality; we know that the sociopath has such a sense that allows him to harm innocents who get in his way. His morality is completely self-centered. Objectivism is destructive.
Maybe you won't agree with me. My purpose is to align the best of all behaviors to the well-being and progress of human beings. My prophecy is that without doing so, to come to some major agreements about purpose and living on this planet, which, don Juan praised over and over again, according to Castaneda, we will dissapear.
So maybe it's a big so what. Death is death, I'm gone, not my problem.
But, if the Nagual exists, there is more to existence than this life, and action/reaction still takes it's toll, whatever the AP.
One false step, and one finds himself in an alien, threatening world
Take care here, in 2012, The choices are narrowing.
Hawkeye...
I actually do agree in principle with most of what you're saying. I think "morality" is an unfortunate word, because so much of what *Society* considers "morality" is nothing more than man-made rules, arbitrary and transient. However... there is a "sense" within every human being that tells us "right" from "wrong". Again, unfortunate words, because they come with so much baggage attached. But CC talked about "the right way to live" - and if we can all get past the words themselves, the concept of that is worthy of examination and practice. Another way of looking at is to say... "As it harms none, do as you Will." Key phrase there being... "as it harms none." Second key phrase being "do as you Will". Many people take that to mean "Do whatever you want," but that's not how I've interpreted it. Instead, I have come to see the word "will" as a substitute for the word "intend". In other words: intent and will are not willy-nilly, but focused and directed. But no matter... another subject for another day...
Within that context, the fellow applying electrical shocks to your junk is certainly not practicing "the right way to live", and he is certainly not "harming none," so whatEVER reaction you have to him is probably going to be "appropriate". Meaning - if you break loose and tear his head off... you are practicing the right to survival, and I would applaud your efforts. It's not about being "dispassionate" - at least not in my book!
The reason I might argue against words like "evil" is because the word itself is rife with baggage which immediately triggers the fear response. If you automatically see your tormentor as "evil", it gives him a false sense of inflated power - which obviously he doesn't really possess. But if you are overcome with fear of evil, you have less capacity for working on your own escape/survival. Put another way: fear debilitates, and may cause the warrior to give away his own power, thereby causing him to defeat himself before the battle ever begins.
My point was only that "evil" in and of itself is a byproduct of human intent, and not a force of nature. The sociopath is actively CHOOSING not to practice "the right way to live" - either because something is inherently missing or damaged in his personal matrix, or because he has lost his connection to spirit (reasons for this could be infinitely complex).
Anyway - just wanted to say that I agree with you for the most part.
When examined from the humanform perspective, most things that humans call "evil" fall under the heading of something they themselves do not agree with. To a Christian, the "devil" is evil. To an anarchist, government is evil. And so it goes. The thing itself (devil or government - heh - perhaps the same thing) is neither good nor evil, but will be labeled according to one's experience/perception of it.
or this:
Power is a point of view.
Well, what can I say, quantums
It is true that the Nagual supports what has been said here, and it is a good lesson, yet, I don't see it as an approach to survival.
If , for instance, someone is applying electic current to my genitals, I doubt if I can be dispassionate. Perhaps it is foolish to think about 'evil' in such a case, but, I will surely be thinking about the ENEMY!
Don Juan most specifically noted the 'Flyers' as an enemy, a predator to be avoided at all costs.
So, morality?
We all, whatever our orientations, have a sense of morality; we know that the sociopath has such a sense that allows him to harm innocents who get in his way. His morality is completely self-centered. Objectivism is destructive.
Maybe you won't agree with me. My purpose is to align the best of all behaviors to the well-being and progress of human beings. My prophecy is that without doing so, to come to some major agreements about purpose and living on this planet, which, don Juan praised over and over again, according to Castaneda, we will dissapear.
So maybe it's a big so what. Death is death, I'm gone, not my problem.
But, if the Nagual exists, there is more to existence than this life, and action/reaction still takes it's toll, whatever the AP.
One false step, and one finds himself in an alien, threatening world
Take care here, in 2012, The choices are narrowing.
Hawkeye...
I actually do agree in principle with most of what you're saying. I think "morality" is an unfortunate word, because so much of what *Society* considers "morality" is nothing more than man-made rules, arbitrary and transient. However... there is a "sense" within every human being that tells us "right" from "wrong". Again, unfortunate words, because they come with so much baggage attached. But CC talked about "the right way to live" - and if we can all get past the words themselves, the concept of that is worthy of examination and practice. Another way of looking at is to say... "As it harms none, do as you Will." Key phrase there being... "as it harms none." Second key phrase being "do as you Will". Many people take that to mean "Do whatever you want," but that's not how I've interpreted it. Instead, I have come to see the word "will" as a substitute for the word "intend". In other words: intent and will are not willy-nilly, but focused and directed. But no matter... another subject for another day...
Within that context, the fellow applying electrical shocks to your junk is certainly not practicing "the right way to live", and he is certainly not "harming none," so whatEVER reaction you have to him is probably going to be "appropriate". Meaning - if you break loose and tear his head off... you are practicing the right to survival, and I would applaud your efforts. It's not about being "dispassionate" - at least not in my book!
The reason I might argue against words like "evil" is because the word itself is rife with baggage which immediately triggers the fear response. If you automatically see your tormentor as "evil", it gives him a false sense of inflated power - which obviously he doesn't really possess. But if you are overcome with fear of evil, you have less capacity for working on your own escape/survival. Put another way: fear debilitates, and may cause the warrior to give away his own power, thereby causing him to defeat himself before the battle ever begins.
My point was only that "evil" in and of itself is a byproduct of human intent, and not a force of nature. The sociopath is actively CHOOSING not to practice "the right way to live" - either because something is inherently missing or damaged in his personal matrix, or because he has lost his connection to spirit (reasons for this could be infinitely complex).
Anyway - just wanted to say that I agree with you for the most part.